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bigbruce said:
Got a link? Can’t find a Joe Rohan or his podcast
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Definitely worth a listen/watch.

Also Sam Harris has a couple out on the subject, although he spends a lot of time yapping about Trump which personally I find to be a waste of my listening time.

I think the media generally runs shocking headlines so some people get really spun up on this thing when for most of us it's going to be pretty minor changes to cope with.

But for vulnerable populations it's pretty dicey and for public health officials, man, this is serious go time.

I don't want to get into a long thing here but basically...I think there's a very good argument that our current testing protocol here is really understating the number of cases. Our testing model is not nearly aggressive enough as far as I'm concerned and if I had to bet I would say there's a LOT of unknown, undiagnosed cases walking around the LMZ right now.

That said, if you are taking basic precautions about staying back from people, staying out of crowds, washing your hands more often and more thoroughly, and cutting back on licking doorknobs at YVR, chances are pretty good you have nothing to worry about. I think the heavy lifting needs to be done by the BC CDC etc. But they sure better get on it. I suspect there will be a hump in cases before this gets better; then the government might finally start to act. But so far I think our reaction is about on par with Italy's and that's not working out super well. On the other hand their population is really old, so this will beat the tar out of them.

But if I were over 65 I wouldn't be making out with strangers on public transit. Thankfully as a younger guy I can still do that.

I'm still not stockpiling. But then...I have a couple of months worth of stuff on hand at any given time, and my cabin is really set to go. Of course...retreating with a two-month old to an off-grid cabin on an island with no running water, and essentially turning the technology clock back to 1800, doesn't actually sound like a move that will necessarily improve his life expectancy.
 
What I took from whole podcast was this isn't something to scoff at but it is not anything to panic about. And the conditions in China are MUCH different than North America (population and density of population is unmatched), not to mention the animal markets there etc. Essentially it is dangerous for those with certain underlying conditions, but the breadth and quickness of spread in China would be very hard to occur in North America, as we are more prepared on top of the other previously mentioned factors.
 
SerengetiGuide said:
but the breadth and quickness of spread in China would be very hard to occur in North America, as we are more prepared on top of the other previously mentioned factors.
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I did not get this from the interview at all. My take was he believed we were going to see a similar trajectory in North America, the the R-0 of a doubling every 4 days would continue here. The incidence is severely under-reported due to the inept US response to the crisis. In NA the much lower rates of smoking will reduce risk from that co-morbid condition, but the much higher rates of obesity in North America will shift risk to that population. We are initiating "social distancing" faster, that may slow the spread, but not stop it. Epidemiologists are hoping to "flatten the curve" spread the transmission out to lessen the load on hospitals. If you are older, have a heart or lung condition, smoke, or are obese (or have a combination of those factors) your risk goes up up.

The good news is the reality for most of us is going to be closer to this
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dont-panic-says-us-woman-recovered-coronavirus-055155667.html

Now get out there and get your share of Toilet paper!
 
Fear and hoarding in Edgemont Village last night...
 

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Here is another really good podcast on the subject. The host, Sam Harris, is pretty spun up about the whole thing and a couple of days ago he went on a big thing about pulling his kids out of school and how apocalyptic this is about to be. I mean there are definitely risks but he gets really irrational about a couple of things, and I think this is one of them.

Anyway yesterday he interviewed Amesh Adalja:
Amesh Adalja, MD, is an infectious disease specialist at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. His work is focused on emerging infectious disease, pandemic preparedness, and biosecurity. Amesh has served on US government panels tasked with developing guidelines for the treatment of plague, botulism, and anthrax. He is an Associate Editor of the journal Health Security, co-editor of the volume Global Catastrophic Biological Risks, and a contributing author for the Handbook of Bioterrorism and Disaster Medicine. Amesh actively practices infectious disease, critical care, and emergency medicine in the Pittsburgh metropolitan area.

https://samharris.org/podcasts/191-early-thoughts-pandemic/

Really good listen. Very much a "don't panic, here's a realistic take on what's coming" from Adalja.
 
Newf said:
We don't live in our own little bubble in our little corner of the world and are dependent on many other countries.
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This is the sad reality. I say sad because some of us are old enough to remember or to have taken part in some of our grandparents generation where this wasn’t the case. I’m also a Newfie and remember my grandmas garden, jigging and salting our own cod, jarring and cold cellaring the bounty from the garden, berrying in the late summer and fall, snaring rabbits in the winter, bagging a moose most falls, capelin on the beaches and trouting in the spring, etc, etc. What we didn’t grow or harvest ourselves was usually produced relatively local - PEI taters and Annapolis Valley apples in the cellar for instance. Sugar, coffee, flour and the like were the few staples “from away” that were essentials you had to buy. Exotic foods, like oranges, were for Christmas and quite the special treat.

Today we’re so spoiled and dependent on a global consumer-based economy that people are losing their minds over toilet paper. It’s as if humans haven’t **** for thousands of years before the advent of the pulp and paper industry!

Anyway, just trying to say that pandemics such as this should be a wake up call to us as individuals and as a country - while global trade has a lot of benefits, we shouldn’t neglect ensuring we are all self-sufficient!

Cheers!

Ukee
 
Echoing PEFs post - I think the US is in the beginning stages of a serious pandemic that likely will cripple their economy and affect the rest of the World in that process. I believe that the fact that - unlike most other "modern" western countries - they don't have universal health care and there are many millions living in poverty that can't afford private health care. The situation in the US will be far more dire than other western countries.

This change in health needs and lack of resources particularly for those who cannot afford private health care (which is many) in the US will be - to me and many - the consequences of unbridled support of capitalism.

Health care - as far as I am concerned - is NOT nor should it be any part of "for profit" BS. It even doesn't make economic sense:
https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/total-spending-per-capita.png
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-healthcare.asp

We will all see how the US system handles this crises over the next few months.
 
agentaqua said:
Echoing PEFs post - I think the US is in the beginning stages of a serious pandemic that likely will cripple their economy and affect the rest of the World in that process. I believe that the fact that - unlike most other "modern" western countries - they don't have universal health care and there are many millions living in poverty that can't afford private health care. The situation in the US will be far more dire than other western countries.

This change in health needs and lack of resources particularly for those who cannot afford private health care (which is many) in the US will be - to me and many - the consequences of unbridled support of capitalism.

Health care - as far as I am concerned - is NOT nor should it be any part of "for profit" BS. It even doesn't make economic sense:
https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/total-spending-per-capita.png
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-healthcare.asp

We will all see how the US system handles this crises over the next few months.
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You're talking about the working poor. Truly poor people get free healthcare in the US.
 
IronNoggin said:
Trudeau, wife Sophie in self-isolation awaiting COVID-19 test as meeting with premiers is called off

Meanwhile, a meeting between Trudeau, the premiers and Indigenous leaders that was scheduled to begin in Ottawa today has been postponed indefinitely in response to the COVID-19 outbreak.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-premiers-coronavirus-1.5495001

How Convenient...

Nog
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If she has it, what's he doing in quarantine? When was the last time they were in the same room, or even area code?
 
Yup, i've listened to both of the Sam Harris podcasts and Joe Rogan's and they are both well done, IMO.

I'll politely disagree with you on Sam's yapping about Trump being a waste of time. Trump owns a huge part of how Covid19 has and will spread across North America. He cut major US programs whose exact function was to prepare us for this. He's also spread false info for past few months in order to 'protect' the market / economy. This is now coming back to bite him in the butt and ultimately cost many people their lives so he should not be unscathed for his poor leadership on this file.

Other than that, great advice / info in all postcasts you listed.

cracked_ribs said:

Definitely worth a listen/watch.

Also Sam Harris has a couple out on the subject, although he spends a lot of time yapping about Trump which personally I find to be a waste of my listening time.

I think the media generally runs shocking headlines so some people get really spun up on this thing when for most of us it's going to be pretty minor changes to cope with.

But for vulnerable populations it's pretty dicey and for public health officials, man, this is serious go time.

I don't want to get into a long thing here but basically...I think there's a very good argument that our current testing protocol here is really understating the number of cases. Our testing model is not nearly aggressive enough as far as I'm concerned and if I had to bet I would say there's a LOT of unknown, undiagnosed cases walking around the LMZ right now.

That said, if you are taking basic precautions about staying back from people, staying out of crowds, washing your hands more often and more thoroughly, and cutting back on licking doorknobs at YVR, chances are pretty good you have nothing to worry about. I think the heavy lifting needs to be done by the BC CDC etc. But they sure better get on it. I suspect there will be a hump in cases before this gets better; then the government might finally start to act. But so far I think our reaction is about on par with Italy's and that's not working out super well. On the other hand their population is really old, so this will beat the tar out of them.

But if I were over 65 I wouldn't be making out with strangers on public transit. Thankfully as a younger guy I can still do that.

I'm still not stockpiling. But then...I have a couple of months worth of stuff on hand at any given time, and my cabin is really set to go. Of course...retreating with a two-month old to an off-grid cabin on an island with no running water, and essentially turning the technology clock back to 1800, doesn't actually sound like a move that will necessarily improve his life expectancy.
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Whole in the Water said:
Why, what does it have to do with recreational/public fishing?
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Exactly! Why would they, but if you were coughing, hacking and sneezing, I doubt the DFO and RCMP guys would be wanting to get overly close on those fishing and safety checks if they did not have to, even with gloves on and a lot of sanitizer available.
I could see boat shows, large derby and fund raiser dinners, fishing related meetings and trips to large lodges etc effected if we get hit as hard as say Italy.
 
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