Check out how DFO is handling Thompson River Steelhead consultation.

[searun]

Fair enough, sorry I shouldn't have called them your friends...I'll just suggest they are pressing a single issue as the saviour of steelhead(if we fix it). The cause, and therefore solution(s), are not that simple is really my point. I never once suggested mixed stock, non-selective fisheries weren't having some impact - just that they are not the real smoking gun IMO.

And, that the way forward for all of us (recreational, FN, commercial) is to explore ways we can see a different future - one built around a more prosperous selective harvest.

And, lets get there via respectful discussion where we listen to everyone's needs and get excited together about how we can to a better place for them and the fish.

And, lets not limit our thinking and recovery efforts to just one problem and solution - that would be a waste of time and talent IMO.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Greg Taylor is really throwing ocean fisheries and their mix stock fisheries under the bus....

http://shuswappassion.ca/shuswap/wh...QvzjSrsblaiLOWB0SXqO3ZacguUfcq6pcM3c1Kv6fOQHM

 

[agentaqua]

Greg Taylor is really throwing ocean fisheries and their mix stock fisheries under the bus....http://shuswappassion.ca/shuswap/wh...QvzjSrsblaiLOWB0SXqO3ZacguUfcq6pcM3c1Kv6fOQHM

Sounds like you know the game, WMY. What was not explained is that Greg was for many years working for Ocean Fisheries Ltd - buying fish on the upriver "demonstration" fisheries as well as working for the Pacific Marine Conservation Caucus, Watershed Watch and Skeena Wild; but left Oceans to run his own fisheries consulting firm. I would assume there are some conflicts of interest inherent in that approach - perceived or real. Maybe Oceans saw it the same way. Maybe now would be the time to rev the engine up in the bus. See:
https://www.watershed-watch.org/about-us/staff-board/
http://skeenawild.org/people/contractors
https://www.genomebc.ca/board/greg-taylor/

 

[Dave]

Time will tell but he may be right and the late run sockeye were indeed over harvested. No surprise there, we've been doing it forever, but I'm not sure how that can be construed as a conflict of interest on Taylor's part.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Sounds like you know the game, WMY. What was not explained is that Greg was for many years working for Ocean Fisheries Ltd - buying fish on the upriver "demonstration" fisheries as well as working for the Pacific Marine Conservation Caucus, Watershed Watch and Skeena Wild; but left Oceans to run his own fisheries consulting firm. I would assume there are some conflicts of interest inherent in that approach - perceived or real. Maybe Oceans saw it the same way. Maybe now would be the time to rev the engine up in the bus. See:
https://www.watershed-watch.org/about-us/staff-board/
http://skeenawild.org/people/contractors
https://www.genomebc.ca/board/greg-taylor/

R u saying the seine boats in Kamloops lake his doing?

 

[agentaqua]

Time will tell but he may be right and the late run sockeye were indeed over harvested. No surprise there, we've been doing it forever, but I'm not sure how that can be construed as a conflict of interest on Taylor's part.

Well - there's an economic reward for any involved fish buyers to move fisheries upriver and maintain an exclusive market from these upriver ESSR fisheries while paying less for those subquality fish - is there not? That would assist Talok Fisheries and the Git’Daa Oot’Sip Ansa Hun Fishing Company, would it not? Who's on their Board of Directors? Isn't the Pacific Marine Conservation Caucus, Watershed Watch and Skeena Wild working towards terminal fisheries as defined by quite a ways upriver coincident with these ESSR fisheries? Does Watershed Watch and Skeena Wild pay for consultants and consulting firms like Fish First Consulting owned and operated by Greg Taylor to assist in advocating for those terminal fisheries? Who sits or used to sit as Chair of the North Coast Advisory Board, President of the Northern Processors Association, member of the Steering Committee of the Skeena Watershed Committee, and sat on the Pacific Salmon Commission? Just a few questions...

 

[Dave]

Are you against terminal fisheries? or maybe just Mr. Taylor ... I don't know who sits on the boards and committees you mention ... is it Taylor? If so he must be qualified, no?

 

[agentaqua]

Not against terminal fisheries - no - not at all. Not the point, really.

Just... there are quite a number of players (often consultants, and sometimes past DFO employees turned consultants as well) in almost any fisheries debates that profit individually from wearing a number of hats which they are often reluctant to identify. Getting paid is not necessarily an indication of expertise nor capacity in the consulting world - but rather indicates access to the people who attend higher-level meetings and can sign checks. Consultants who honestly say "no I don't really know what I am doing" are unlikely to generate a consumer base - and leaving capacity in any community can become a competitor to the need to hire consultants. Sometimes the same consultants/reps also appear reluctant to either state or admit to any perceived or real conflicts of interest. That undermines trust in any negotiations....

 

[Dave]

Are you, or have you been, a paid consultant?

 

[agentaqua]

nope. I know the industry well, tho...

 

[fish4all]

nope. I know the industry well, tho...

Very good points. I personally don’t have a lot of respect for Mr. Taylor. I also believe he is is a significant conflict of interest.

 

[SpringVelocity]

Very good points. I personally don’t have a lot of respect for Mr. Taylor. I also believe he is is a significant conflict of interest.

Wow this thread and topic foreshadowed what was about to come. Creepy.

 

[agentaqua]

almost as if we knew what we were talking about, eh? SV?

 

[Rockfish]

Are you, or have you been, a paid consultant?

How about yourself?

 

[Dave]

yes

 

[SpringVelocity]

almost as if we knew what we were talking about, eh? SV?

That last post you did nailed it.

 

[Cuba Libre]

So

https://www.facebook.com/…/a.22391514778…/1027189154120172/…

This was passed along from an old friend . I re-post it here as a signal to those who may be involved in the federal government's process around listing Interior Fraser Steelhead (principally Thompson and Chilcotin stocks) as endangered under Canada's Species At Risk Act.

If ever you wondered where DFO is coming from on the consultation agenda they've developed to address the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada's recommendation that those steelhead be listed as endangered, wonder no more. For DFO staff to cite data known to grossly underestimate the real commercial fishery steelhead catches in Johnstone Strait and everywhere else up and down the coast for First Nations interests to exploit in their, by invitation only, private sessions with DFO is criminal. The listed conclusions from "DFO South Coast (Johnstone Strait) staff are outrageous. Heads should roll for such blatant evidence of bias.



Island Marine Aquatic Working Group
Yesterday at 11:56 AM ·
Steelhead (SARA Listing) Consultations: November 2 and 15
IMPORTANT POINTS FOR ATTENDING!

If listed, 60 day window closures will be implemented in:
• Strait of Georgia (including Areas 14-18, Area 28 and 29),
• Johnston Strait (Area 11-13 and Area 111),
• Strait of Juan de Fuca (Area 19 and 20),
• Fraser River
• West Coast of Vancouver Island (Area 21, 121-127, Area 26-27).

Conclusions from DFO South Coast (Johnston Strait) staff:
• “Even when steelhead abundance was high and fishery effort was at it’s peak, there were little encounters”.
• Encounters occur primarily July through September NOT October
• No DNA to determine if fish encountered are Interior Fraser or Vancouver Island stocks.
• Area 12 test fishery (Round Island) 30 years of data, only encountered a total of 190 steelhead
• Over 50 years, purse seine test fishery in Johnston Strait encountered a total of 497 steelhead.
• Area 12 seine average CPUE from 1990 through 2017 have been 0.015 steelhead.
• TWO (2) steelhead caught in historic guide look book data from Area 111 and 127.
• Sale slip data from period when steelhead were allowed to be retained indicates an average of 1300 steelhead encountered.

These closures, if steelhead are listed, will impact and restrict Section 35.1 and other fisheries. We highly encourage you to attend and put forward your wisdom, knowledge, experience and concerns.

IMAWG can provide you will data materials if needed.

November 2, Coast Discovery Inn, Campbell River 9:00am to 3:00pm
November 15, Vancouver Island Conference Center, Nanaimo 9:00am to 3:00pm

RSVP the SARA program at sara.xpac@dfo-mpo.gc.ca or call 250 -720-4445.

-- who wrote this??? Bob Hooten. ??? or OBD

 

[agentaqua]

So -- who wrote this??? Bob Hooten. ??? or OBD

Is there really a difference?

 

[OldBlackDog]

http://steelheadvoices.com/

So




-- who wrote this??? Bob Hooten. ??? or OBD

 

[OldBlackDog]

http://steelheadvoices.com/

Is there really a difference?