Saxe Point
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The administrator said this "subject has merit and is a touchy one" and suggested it stay out of the Sooke reports. So here it is. Note that I'm not starting this as a vehicle for complaints about alleged fishing in the closed area, or complaints about the closure itself. It's just to clarify something that is important: where is the Otter Point closure line?
Some say it's not clear or that it's complicated. I disagree.
Here's my view (a response to Wolf from the Sooke reports thread):
Wolf responded:
Again, nothing could be simpler.
To those venturing out without a GPS, unless you can figure out your lat/long position by chart, you do so at your peril if you go near that closure line.
I am not a mariner by upbringing or trade and I'm relatively new to all this, so if I misunderstand this, let me know. But I really see it as being simple.
Some say it's not clear or that it's complicated. I disagree.
Here's my view (a response to Wolf from the Sooke reports thread):
I’m sorry Wolf, I just don’t understand why you believe it is so complicated and requires clarification by DFO. Their email, which reproduces the language in the notice, makes it very clear. It says, in material part, “Effective June 1 to September 30, 2018 there is no fishing for finfish in... that portion of Subarea 20-5 that lies west of 123 degrees 49.345 minutes west longitude (in line with the radio tower located at Otter Point).”
Whether you look at a chart or use a GPS, it’s so simple: anywhere in subarea 20-5 west of the radio tower (or those westerly coordinates which they say are where the tower is located) is closed. This closed area of subarea 20-5 extends from that point to the western edge of subarea 20-5 which is Sheringham Point. Beyond this, any other reference to Sheringham Point is irrelevant to identifying the closed area.
The “line” that seems to be perplexing you must, as a matter of logic and common sense, extend perpendicular to the westerly coordinates (the radio tower). Perpendicular means a north/south line drawn at a 90 degree angle from the longitudinal line represented by those coordinates (the radio tower).
Simple, in my view and in addition, you don’t even need to worry about the perpendicular line. That’s because my chart plotter, like any GPS, makes it even easier because by reading the longitude, it tells me exactly how far west I am and if I am west of those coordinates that represent the boundary.
How is this anything but clear? Am I missing something?
Whether you look at a chart or use a GPS, it’s so simple: anywhere in subarea 20-5 west of the radio tower (or those westerly coordinates which they say are where the tower is located) is closed. This closed area of subarea 20-5 extends from that point to the western edge of subarea 20-5 which is Sheringham Point. Beyond this, any other reference to Sheringham Point is irrelevant to identifying the closed area.
The “line” that seems to be perplexing you must, as a matter of logic and common sense, extend perpendicular to the westerly coordinates (the radio tower). Perpendicular means a north/south line drawn at a 90 degree angle from the longitudinal line represented by those coordinates (the radio tower).
Simple, in my view and in addition, you don’t even need to worry about the perpendicular line. That’s because my chart plotter, like any GPS, makes it even easier because by reading the longitude, it tells me exactly how far west I am and if I am west of those coordinates that represent the boundary.
How is this anything but clear? Am I missing something?
Wolf responded:
IS it though its NOT stated there lies the problem and there lies all the confusion . its not stated the direction, you can ASSUME its a north to south but it doesnt state it I even asked WHY there is not a map drawn p like all the other boundaries......
the other closure at possesion is VERY easy for us all possesion to muir pt off the bluffs simple pt 2 waypoints on the gps and do a a route now you know exactly where the boundry is ..this will be the last time I comment on this as its a dumb rule and EVERYONE seems to have their own opinion on it including my self. The only one that seem to be getting their knickers in a knot is you fishermen some of you are acting like bullys in the sand box being jealous someone has more time on the swing set......
IF it was SUCH a huge problem these last 3 months do you not think the rubber raft would have been out ticketing people its apparent they see it as we are doing it some what right as they are definitely monitoring it, JUST go fish Guys enjoy what time we have left in the rest of the summer , enjoy the last few days on the water before school starts and run is gone. we all have worse things in life then this ....I have a bad feeling we wont be fishing there anymore anyways after all of this anyways after they buzzed past the point in the plane a few days ago 10 times VERY LOW!!!!!
To which I say, with great respect, that simply cannot be be right and Wolf's confusion is unwarranted. Any other longitudinal point is either east or west of the longitudinal line passing through 123 degrees 49.345 minutes. In other words, you are either east or west of that point once you move east or west from it. You can go north or south as much as you like and that won't change anything in terms of your longitudinal position. But once you move east or west, you're either east or west of that point, anywhere on the globe.the other closure at possesion is VERY easy for us all possesion to muir pt off the bluffs simple pt 2 waypoints on the gps and do a a route now you know exactly where the boundry is ..this will be the last time I comment on this as its a dumb rule and EVERYONE seems to have their own opinion on it including my self. The only one that seem to be getting their knickers in a knot is you fishermen some of you are acting like bullys in the sand box being jealous someone has more time on the swing set......
IF it was SUCH a huge problem these last 3 months do you not think the rubber raft would have been out ticketing people its apparent they see it as we are doing it some what right as they are definitely monitoring it, JUST go fish Guys enjoy what time we have left in the rest of the summer , enjoy the last few days on the water before school starts and run is gone. we all have worse things in life then this ....I have a bad feeling we wont be fishing there anymore anyways after all of this anyways after they buzzed past the point in the plane a few days ago 10 times VERY LOW!!!!!
Again, nothing could be simpler.
To those venturing out without a GPS, unless you can figure out your lat/long position by chart, you do so at your peril if you go near that closure line.
I am not a mariner by upbringing or trade and I'm relatively new to all this, so if I misunderstand this, let me know. But I really see it as being simple.
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