Federal government measures failed to protect endangered Chinook salmon in 2019

Agreed. Before they make a statement that the same amount of anglers were out to catch and release they should get off their asses and check the ramps to see how many boat trailers were parked there or get in a boat and survey how many boat were out on the water. I was barely out during that time and the few times I got out here was hardly anyone on the water. Made a run over to thraser for some bottom fish during may on a sunny weekend when there should be loads of boat over there during a peak time for salmon fishing... It was a ghost town there when it should have been a full house.

Same experience for me up here Comox/Campbell River. Weekend , glass calm, best tides of the month (May) and fish galore . Counted a total of four boats all day from Cape mudge, to CampbellRiver hump to green can and Francisco. Only 2 appeared to be fishing others, on the move. Exact same in June as well. With that weather, tides and incredible fishing it would have been bumper to bumper on any other year.

No way that would have provided a measurable amount of Mortality on the Fraser fish in question.
 
And we have a winner in the misleading for funding category. Come get your cheque Misty and tell us a little about your ecotourism funding grants. Lol.

“In 2019, much of the fishing mortality occurred where recreational catch-and-release of Chinook salmon was permitted. To ensure these endangered Chinook salmon are protected, they must be listed under Canada’s Species at Risk Act,” says Raincoast Conservation Foundation Salmon Program Director Misty MacDuffee.

“While millions of tax dollars were being spent to fly salmon in helicopters around the Big Bar landslide, our government was allowing thousands of these fish to be killed on their way into the Fraser River,” MacDuffee says.

I guess the second statement is because no fish were gill netted in the Fraser. Has Misty or any of her disciples ever confronted illegal fishers in the Fraser? Ever pulled an illegal net? Ever even acknowledged it happens? Of Course not, that’s too political. These people need to be exposed.
 
Just looking at Facebook again where a guy is talking about hooking 200-300 fish this summer. Talk about making a case for closures! If any of you guides are on here ( I suspect he’s one) you may want to tell him he ain’t helping your occupation!
 
If people are wondering how they got to 37% they used this study https://www.fecpl.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/CSAS-FRIM-RESDOC-A-2017_010-eng.pdf

and used the tables
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They also used this type of information to come to conclusions

"The range of the probabilities for the four sub-components of Post Release Mortality (PRM) estimates were drawn from the Table 1. The Risk Factors and Mortality Risk Ranges are taken from Appendix A in Patterson et al. (2017b). The chosen Mortality Risk Range was based on selective interviews with two experienced anglers: one an experienced guide, the other a retired biologist who fishes non-guided. We could not find any published fishery independent or dependent estimates of the Risk Factors and mortality ranges."

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See how the lng protestors are blocking highways and ports and even MPs offices. Gets attention. Gotta steal their tactics.
 
If people are wondering how they got to 37% they used this study https://www.fecpl.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/CSAS-FRIM-RESDOC-A-2017_010-eng.pdf

and used the tables
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They also used this type of information to come to conclusions

"The range of the probabilities for the four sub-components of Post Release Mortality (PRM) estimates were drawn from the Table 1. The Risk Factors and Mortality Risk Ranges are taken from Appendix A in Patterson et al. (2017b). The chosen Mortality Risk Range was based on selective interviews with two experienced anglers: one an experienced guide, the other a retired biologist who fishes non-guided. We could not find any published fishery independent or dependent estimates of the Risk Factors and mortality ranges."

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Strongly encourage people to take a very close look at the "ASSUMPTIONS" being made in Patterson et al....authors have not tested any assumptions in the real world, conducting real research to ensure they validate those assumptions....the whole premise of the FRIM model is a stack of cards....don't be fooled people! DFO conducted actual field research on release mortality and concluded it was 15%. UBC is currently conducting new research - suggest we wait to see the outcomes.
 
This^. Playing fish and feeding the seals during the C and R opening last year.
Stupid regulation, probably increased the population of seals around Vancouver and Thrasher last year!
 
This^. Playing fish and feeding the seals during the C and R opening last year.
Stupid regulation, probably increased the population of seals around Vancouver and Thrasher last year!

I know kind of like letting catch and release happen for steelhead in river. Sort of same thing hey?
 
SV, out to lunch comment.
If we had as many seals in our rivers I would completely agree with you.

Defending the C and R fishery in the chuck to feed our local seals is garbage.

Would agree with it if we were allowed to harvest 4 seals per trip!
 
SV, out to lunch comment.
If we had as many seals in our rivers I would completely agree with you.

Defending the C and R fishery in the chuck to feed our local seals is garbage.

Would agree with it if we were allowed to harvest 4 seals per trip!

Not really.

So you agree mortality in marine fisheries is 37% from catch and release study that chinook exerciser keeps referencing? Correct?

You also agree that we should be not participating selective marking fisheries when stocks of concern are present? Just close them all down like chinook exerciser wants?

But that is perfectly fine to leave them open for your river fisheries, and catch and release?
 
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Never did I say that.
Hatchery fish are meant to be killed.
There is zero reason why there shouldn't be a marked fishery up and down the coast at all times!

Catch and releasing while you have seals following your boat ain't the smartest idea regardless of the "37 % mortallity".
Are you aware of the seal problem on our coast? Do you not fish the Vancouver area and see the amount of seals we have?



As for the river fisheries or ANY fisheries if there is a stock that is at critical levels we should not be fishing for them!
 
[QUOTE="Whitebuck, post: 971547, member: 9425"Do you not fish the Vancouver area and see the amount of seals we have?
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Check out Nanaimo, Sidney, Victoria and Sooke if you wanta see Seals and or Sea Lions steal fish off your line, or after being released.
Not every day, but once the Seals have their eye on you, like you said, they follow your boat.... best to move on because you can't win.
Once had a double header with fish on and Seals got both at the same time... they headed for the shallow water reef off Coal Is. and you can feel the line rubbing on the rocks before it breaks! Smart little buggers, but the friend who I had out with me thought it was great excitement! Me...just mad about the lost flasher and squirt.
From my experience, it's much less of a problem off the WCVI offshore and on Swiftsure it's a rare occurrence.
Every area is different when it come to Seals and Sea Lions and guys who fish the areas where they are less of a problem, just don't get it!!
 
Just so if I get this correctly from both of you.

  • Seals are a problem so we shouldn't have any catch and release fisheries at all. Nanaimo, Victoria, Sidney, Vic and Sooke are terrible but offshore is OK.
  • The Fraser river is closed to river angling therefore all marine areas should be closed.
  • The 37% mortality on catch and release study is valid as you see it, and Vancouver anglers shouldn't fish for salmon because there are too many seals.
I don't know guys....:eek:
 
Never did I say that.
Hatchery fish are meant to be killed.
There is zero reason why there shouldn't be a marked fishery up and down the coast at all times!

Catch and releasing while you have seals following your boat ain't the smartest idea regardless of the "37 % mortallity".
Are you aware of the seal problem on our coast? Do you not fish the Vancouver area and see the amount of seals we have?



As for the river fisheries or ANY fisheries if there is a stock that is at critical levels we should not be fishing for them!
I know you've done a lot of fishing there, Whitebuck. I spend a ton of time in the ocean fishing for Chinook. Last year I think I lost 2 Chinook to being sealed. I know some areas are worse than others but I think you're blowing the problem out of proportion! Let's not get in bed with NGO philosophy!
 
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Whitebuck is right, CC - seals are a big issue. Seal lions more of an issue out on the saltchuck on Chinook, while harbour seals more of an issue up the rivers on steelhead, juvie salmon and other in-river fish. This is up and down the coast.

They are relentless in zeroing-in on C & R fisheries, as well as herring fisheries.

I actually agree w Whitebuck's comments....
 
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