Pre-COSEWIC review of southern British Columbia Chinook Salmon

[wildmanyeah]

Pre-COSEWIC review of southern British Columbia Chinook Salmon

Published in april, have not seen it posted.

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/csas-sccs/Publications/ResDocs-DocRech/2019/2019_011-eng.pdf

 

[GLG]

I'm only half way through but I must say I've learned more about these Chinook then reading hundreds of websites dedicated to the majestic creatures.

 

[GLG]

My only complaint is that there is a lot of data missing from the dark days of the war on science.

 

[OldBlackDog]

And how are they going to save them?

 

[GLG]

And how are they going to save them?

Well OldBlackDog you know, checking notes, there aren't many things we agree on but in this case a good step in the right direction would be some harbour seal predator management.

 

[wildmanyeah]

This is just the start of the review funded by SARA. Just hope we get decent returns this year. A recovery plan and funding is only available if a stock gets listed and listing a stock is the end to any fishing around its migration window.

here's hoping for some decent returns the next few years

 

[SpringVelocity]

This designation takes years. We are lucky to have someone that worked for DFO who went through the process. It was explained that this a lot more complicated than what is being betrayed. 5-10 years for implementation. Large round table process.

This is just really at review state unless your talking to Raincoast and Watershed who know everything.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Yes and this is the result of a process that was originally initiated back as early as 2005. As GLG put it the dark days of science stalled some of this stuff out.

 

[GLG]

There are clear timelines on the Southern BC Chinook and it's not 5 to 10 years as some have suggested. This is why it's critical that we get these spawner numbers up as quick as possible so that they don't get SARA listed.

http://frafs.ca/sites/default/files2/SARA Listing - Fraser Salmon Forum 2018-01-23_0.pdf

 

[SpringVelocity]

There are clear timelines on the Southern BC Chinook and it's not 5 to 10 years as some have suggested. This is why it's critical that we get these spawner numbers up as quick as possible so that they don't get listed.

http://frafs.ca/sites/default/files2/SARA Listing - Fraser Salmon Forum 2018-01-23_0.pdf

Not what I was told at our spring meeting on this subject. That again is real life. With the government switch happening in fall it will delay it even more.

 

[wildmanyeah]

less not forget that this process was orginally started back in 2005 http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/...008FrasRvrChkInformDocument.htm#_Toc191095670 and then sara was basically ignored from about 2007 to 2017. Part 2 for example was suppose to be done in 2013 http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/csas-sccs/Schedule-Horraire/2013/11_05-07-eng.html and Part 1 has just been finished in 2019.

"
In March 2013, a pre-COSEWIC assessment reviewed through a Canadian Science Advisory Secretariat (CSAS) Regional Peer Review (RPR) process. It was determined that the draft document submitted for review did not sufficiently address all of the required criteria outlined in the standard terms of reference for a pre-COSEWIC assessment. The sections that did meet COSEWIC criteria have been compiled into a CSAS Research Document, ”Part I” Pre-COSEWICAssessment (Brown et al. in prep.). The Part I document focuses primarily on describing the life history characteristics of Chinook salmon occurring in southern British Columbia, the basis for DUs, an evaluation of whether Chinook salmon meet the residence criteria in Canada as defined by SARA and reviews information concerning threats to this species. A second “Part II” Pre-COSEWIC Assessment has been prepared to address the remaining deficiencies.

The objective of this Canadian Science Advisory Secretariat (CSAS) Regional Peer Review is to review the draft Part II Pre-COSEWIC Assessment for Southern BC Chinook Salmon, which will include: the time series of abundance data for each of the proposed DUs of the mature spawners, a description of the methods used to determine annual mature spawner abundance and data treatments, contextual information which aid the assessment of data uncertainty, and provide the results of the application of the COSEWIC quantitative criteria.

This assessment is also intended to support future work respecting the implementation of the DFO Wild Salmon Policy (WSP); therefore, utilizing previously reviewed and accepted methodologies (Holt et al. 2009; Parken et al. 2006), quantified values of WSP metrics used for status assessment will also be reviewed. A determination of WSP status will not be considered.

Results of this Regional Peer Review (RPR) will be made available to COSEWIC, the author(s) of the species status report, and the co-chairs of the applicable COSEWIC Species Specialist Subcommittee and is intended to inform a subsequent WSP status assessment scheduled for February 2014."

 

[OldBlackDog]

Let’s go back to 1998 to see how well DFO did on their real concerns on Thompson River Coho.

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wld/documents/fr05irvine.pdf

And here we are 21 years later in the same boat.

Note, they might make a decision by 2021, but don’t hold your breath.

 

[GLG]

Not what I was told at our spring meeting on this subject. That again is real life. With the government switch happening in fall it will delay it even more.

Maybe we are talking about two different things. This is COSEWIC and as I have shown expect a 2 to 4 years for either a recommendation for SARA or not. That's why I say we have little time left to do something as if it goes to SARA then expect a long time frame with many hurdles to get back to fishing as normal.

I also find it troubling that you think a solution to the lack of spawners is to just change the government with the implication that somehow, with their track record of not give a ****, things will change and we can go back to fishing. Problem with that strategy is that you can't catch fish if there is none.

 

[GLG]

I also find it troubling that folks get a taste of SARA with the current regulation changes when it come to the killer whale and not learn the lesson that we need to do the hard things now so that we don't get effed down the road if these Chinook get listed.

 

[SpringVelocity]

I also find it troubling that folks get a taste of SARA with the current regulation changes when it come to the killer whale and not learn the lesson that we need to do the hard things now so that we don't get effed down the road if these Chinook get listed.

You should look for a seat with MCC caucus you would do great there. Really man if I said red you would say black.

That is what is great about meetings you can ask questions to those that know the process.

Here is your thread back.

 

[wildmanyeah]

I herd DFO policy for along time wrt early Fraser river chinook was just basically to let the First Nations net then into extinction. They had perviously shut down the natives in river in and aloud others to fish in the ocean but this resulted in, in river protest fishery’s later on for sockeye. Then with sockeye basically crashing this fishery just became to hard to take away. Lots of importance such as first fish ceremonies ect... so it was basically let them fish it and let everyone in the ocean fish.

The liberal government with its wild salmon policy and its concern for the loss of biodiversity obviously has decided to things differently. Except instead of just restriction in river and JDF they decided to restrict everyone.

I personally don’t like this as it does not allow access to stocks that are not a concern or access to hatchery marked fish.

If DFO applies this to later time stocks then we would loose access in July and August and that would be the be the final nail.

So in saying that imo the best approach would be a marked base fishery as it would allow stocks of concern to make it to the spawning grounds and still allow a sports fishery.It does not look like the liberal government is going to allow that.

Hence the hate for the liberal government