FN lobby in Ottawa . This will effect you.

OldBlackDog

Well-Known Member
OTTAWA — A B.C. First Nations delegation was hoping for a breakthrough here Tuesday as it took part in its highest-level meeting with federal officials since a 2009 court ruling recognized its right to a commercial fishery.

Members of the Nuu-chah-nulth Tribal Council, representing First Nations along the west coast of Vancouver Island, had an evening meeting with the Trudeau government’s top three officials on the First Nations file — Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould, Indigenous Affairs Minister Carolyn Bennett, and Fisheries Minister Dominic LeBlanc.

The meeting took place amidst conflicting pressures on the Trudeau government, which promised to negotiate rather than litigate with aboriginal groups on a nation-to-nation basis.

“I hope today marks a big step toward building a framework that lays out how these (fishery) rights will be applied within the current regulations,” said the NDP’s Gord Johns.

The MP for Courtenay-Alberni has been badgering the government this spring, noting that Wilson-Raybould, when she was B.C. regional chief of the Assembly of First Nations, criticized the Conservatives for foot-dragging on the case.

“(This week’s) meeting was at the request of the First Nations and reflects the government’s commitment to a renewed, nation-to-nation relationship with Indigenous peoples,” said an official in LeBlanc’s office, adding that the minister looked forward to a “continued dialogue” on the issue.

B.C. Supreme Court Justice Nicole Garson concluded in 2009 that the Nuu-chah-nulth people proved their claim that they had a right to a modern commercial fishery. That claim was based on a history of commercial exploitation of the resource that preceded contact with white explorers and colonists.

But Garson didn’t rule on the extent of the federal government’s ability to “infringe” on that right in order to manage a complex West Coast fishery.

Instead, she gave the Nuu-chah-nulth and Ottawa two years to negotiate an accord.

A settlement was never reached as the former Harper government, supported by the B.C. government and industry groups, argued unsuccessfully all the way to the Supreme Court against the 2009 decision.

Grand Chief Edward John, an executive member of the B.C. First Nations Summit, said the Trudeau government needs to send a signal that it is prepared to negotiate rather than litigate.

But an industry spokeswoman expressed concern recently about the possibility of a political settlement in advance of the next stage of the court battle.

The Nuu-chah-nulth launched a new court action against the federal government due to Ottawa’s failure to strike a suitable agreement.

“The public interest demands that this case continue,” said B.C. Seafood Alliance executive director Christina Burridge.

The alliance, representing various corporate interests including the Jim Pattison Group, wants the B.C. Supreme Court to consider its argument that the federal department must continue managing the West Coast fishery for the benefit of all groups, including commercial and sport fisheries.

It also wants the court to determine that certain species — like sablefish and shrimp — weren’t part of the historic Nuu-chah-nulth fisheries and therefore shouldn’t be allocated to them in a future regime.

And it is concerned that the federal government, if it gives the Nuu-chah-nulth extensive management authority over commercial fisheries in its traditional fishing grounds, could set a precedent for the 200-odd large and tiny First Nations in the province.

“This is about how we manage fisheries in the modern world, how we conserve the resource, how we meet the needs of the modern-day marketplace, how we demonstrate sustainability to the wider world,” Burridge said. “And we’re certainly not convinced that a series of balkanized fisheries can do that.”

The tribal council represents five First Nations along Vancouver Island’s west coast — the Ehattesaht, the Mowachaht/Muchalaht, the Hesquiaht, the Ahousaht, and the Tla-o-qui-aht.

The chiefs meeting with the ministers weren’t available for comment Tuesday
 
"We " ( being sport fishers) need to be at the table as well. OBD is right. One way or the other it WILL affect us.
 
They are already wiping out the halibut and Ling Cod in our area.

Beginning of the end
 
I usually advocate for FN land and fishing rights, but to allow each individual band to negotiate their own deal is crazy. As we know, some bands do a great job of managing their resource, others don't.
 
My understanding of how DFO responds - is that they could negotiate or expand case law onto other non-treaty FN wrt the courts findings - but instead - force each FN to take them to court. That means that the judge can only rule on what is before him/her and the plaintiffs can only speak to their history/rights/needs are. So - it is piecemeal. That isn't necessarily what the FN want - or their fault. Keeps the lawyers gainfully employed, I guess.

On the flip side - there is clarity wrt that FN rights and how s. 35 of the Constitution Act is applied. Getting DFO to then respect, implement and enforce the judge's rulings has been the issue in the Nuu-chah-nulth/Ahousat case - as outlined above.
 
So give them commercial rights, and whatever they get for commercial allocation comes from their FSC allocation as it would have also been when they "commercially" fished. The reality is that prior to contact with Europeans, they traded fish for other items to expand their culture. I get that, but the fish they traded would have otherwise been used for their own food, so logically allocate to commercial, remove from FSC.

If that were to be the way the courts would rule (and of course they won't, because afterall, FN's are premier citizens and the rest of us are just pond scum), then the commercial allocation would have the same rules applied as current commercial, and therefor less fish would be required for the priority of FSC fisheries.

Lets see the courts rule in favour of that logic.......
 
The reality is that prior to contact with Europeans, they traded fish for other items to expand their culture. I get that, but the fish they traded would have otherwise been used for their own food, so logically allocate to commercial, remove from FSC.
Lets see the courts rule in favour of that logic.......

Check your logic because if you think about it they would only trade their surplus fish, not the fish they needed for FSC. Would you go out and get a weeks worth of food and then go trade 2 days worth for some other item?
 
If you read the original court decisions - it lays it out fairly clearly.

FSC - Stands for "Food", "Social", and "Ceremonial". In the eyes of DFO - it does NOT equate to a commercial fishery - and can't be used as such. In the eyes of DFO - you can't sell FSC catch legally - as in a commercial fishery.
 
Read this and note fsc.
Category(s):
ABORIGINAL - General Information,
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill Net,
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll

Fishery Notice - Fisheries and Oceans Canada

Subject: FN0588-Demonstration Fishery - Salmon: Troll & Gill Net - First Nations - ISBM Chinook - July 1 - 8, 2016 Opening Amendment

This notice amends FN0576 to remove the reference to undersize lingcod. There
is no size limit for lingcod retained for FSC purposes on the WCVI in 2016.

The complete corrected Fishery Notice is as follows:

The Ahousaht, Ehattesaht, Hesquiaht, Mowachaht/Muchalaht and Tla-o-qui-aht
First Nations’ (T’aaq-wiihak Nations) ISBM chinook salmon demonstration fishery
by troll and gillnet will open from 00:01 hours July 1, to 12:00 hours Jul 8,
2016, or close earlier if the chinook total allowable catch of 2,436 pieces has
been reached.

The following areas are open for vessels under 25 feet in length and the
fishing vessel “Drifter” (VRN 24970):

A portion of Subarea 25-4:northwesterly of a line beginning at a boundary sign
on Bligh Island near 49°39.732’N and 126°28.815’W then drawn northeasterly
across the channel to a boundary sign on the opposite shore near 49°40.181’N
and 126°28.166’W (Hanna Channel/Zuciarte Channel closure); and southwest of a
line drawn from 49o 43.903’ N and 126o29.639’ W southwesterly across the inlet
to a point located at 49o 46.680’ N and 126o 30.322’ W (Hisnit Inlet closure).

A portion of Subarea 25-5: at the head of Tlupana Inlet southerly of a line
beginning near a point located at 49 degrees 46.768’ N and 126 degrees 28.827’
W then drawn easterly to the opposite shore to a point located at 49 degrees
46.679’ N and 126 degrees 27.351’ W (Head Bay/Moutcha closure); and westerly of
a line in Nesook Bay beginning at a point located at 49 degrees 46.209’ N and
126 degrees 24.997’ W then drawn southerly to the opposite shore to a point
located at 49 degrees 45.590’ N and 126 degrees 25.009’ W (Nesook Bay closure).

Subarea 25-6, Subarea 25-7,

A portion of Subarea 25-8 southeast of a line commencing from the northern most
tip of Strange Island due east to a boundary sign on the opposite shore of
Tahsis Inlet.

Species and amounts permitted for sale:
- Chinook: The maximum number of chinook that may be retained for sale
is 300 pieces per vessel for the entire opening. All chinook retained for sale
must be greater than 55cm fork length (head on) and 44cm (head off).
- Chum: Bycatch of chum may be retained for sale.

All fish encountered in this fishery must be retained with the exception of
dogfish, and undersize chinook. Amounts of fish retained above the sale limits
described above and all other fish species not permitted for sale will be
counted against each T’aaq-wiihak Nation’s Food, Social, and Ceremonial (FSC)
allocations.

Fishing shall be permitted by trolling with single barbless hooks and by
gillnet with the exception of the fishing vessel “Drifter” (VRN 24970) that
will be permitted gillnet only. Gillnets shall be a maximum of 50 fathoms long
and 60 meshes deep and must be retrieved without the aid of any mechanical or
hydraulic device. Gillnets must be attended at all times; a vessel can not be
further than 50 meters from the deployed gillnet at any time. The end of the
gillnet that is not attached to a vessel shall be marked with a lantern that
gives a steady white light during the period beginning one hour after sunset
and ending one hour before sunrise.

All harvesters must file a start fishing report (hail out) prior to
participating in the fishery by contacting the T’aaq-wiihak Fishery
Implementation Coordinator, Alex Gagne (250) 266-1071.

A vessel designated to harvest fish shall be identified by an Identification
Number and by affixing an Identification Flag that is clearly visible, legible
and unobstructed. Designation to partake in this fishery must accompany the
participant while fishing or transporting fish harvested in this fishery.

All fish caught in this fishery are to be landed at the designated landing
sites:
- Gold River Government Dock;
- The packing vessel “Drifter” (VRN 24970); and
- Zeballos (Mid-Island Ice).

Transferring of catch from one vessel to another other than the packing
vessel “Drifter” (VRN 24970) is not permitted without written permission in
advance from the First Nation’s Fishery Manager that the harvester is
registered with.

All participants must obtain a Landing Slip, in order to sell any fish caught
under the authority of this licence. All fish sold in this fishery must be
accompanied by a Sales Slip.

All fish retained will be verified by T’aaq-wiihak dockside monitors.
Harvesters must permit T’aaq-wiihak dockside monitors access to their catch for
the verification procedure. Harvesters must permit T’aaq-wiihak dockside
monitors access to their catch for the purposes of biological sampling (e.g.
otoliths, coded-wire tags (CWT) and DNA as required).

Harvesters will maintain a logbook and submit a completed report to the T’aaq-
wiihak landing monitor at each landing. Landing slips will not be issued by the
T’aaq-wiihak landing monitor without the submission of completed logbook
reports.

T’aaq-wiihak harvesters are reminded to refer to the communal licence
authorizing this fishery for complete details. Copies of the licence are
available from the DFO Resource Manager, Peter Hall (250-720-4440) and the
T’aaq-wiihak Fisheries Implementation Coordinator, Alex Gagne (250-266-1071).

Fisheries and Oceans Canada is interested in reports of sea turtles in BC
waters. By documenting sightings we are able to learn more about how, when, and
where these turtles are using our waters. If you see a sea turtle, please call
this toll-free phone number: 1-866-I SAW ONE (1-866-472-9663). Please include
information such as the type of sea turtle seen (i.e. leatherback), the
location, and time of sighting.

FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Peter Hall, Resource Manager, Port Alberni (250) 720 4440


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