Fish Farm trouble in BC.

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Spoiler alert: every site has slightly different water quality in the Pacific AND the Atlantic (where there can't be any sea lice because there are no pink salmon) - speaking of LMAO

But what possibly could the 2 oceans have in common. hmmmm....
 
Evidence of farm-induced parasite infestations on wild juvenile salmon in multiple regions of coastal British Columbia, Canada

M.H.H. Price, A. Morton, and J.D. Reynolds

Abstract: Salmon farms are spatially concentrated reservoirs of fish host populations that can disrupt natural salmonid host–parasite dynamics. Sea lice frequently infect farm salmon and parasitize sympatric wild juvenile salmonids, with negative impacts on survival in Europe and Pacific Canada. We examined louse parasitism of wild juvenile chum salmon (Oncorhynchus keta) and pink salmon (Oncorhynchus gorbuscha) from three salmon farming regions in British Columbia (Finlayson, Broughton Archipelago, and Georgia Strait). We compared sites of low and high exposure to farms and included an area without farms (Bella Bella) to assess baseline infection levels. Louse prevalence and abundance were lowest and most similar to natural baseline levels at low-exposure sites and highest at high-exposure sites in all farm regions. A significantly greater proportion of the lice were Lepeophtheirus salmonis at high-exposure sites. Exposure to salmon farms was the only consistently significant factor to explain the variation in prevalence data, with a secondary role played by salinity. Our results support the hypothesis that salmon farms are a major source of sea lice on juvenile wild salmon in salmon farming regions and underscore the importance of using management techniques that mitigate threats to wild stocks.
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Sea Louse Infection of Juvenile Sockeye Salmon in Relation to Marine Salmon Farms on Canada’s West Coast

Michael H. H. Price1,2*, Stan L. Proboszcz3, Rick D. Routledge4, Allen S. Gottesfeld5, Craig Orr3, John D. Reynolds6

1 Department of Biology, University of Victoria, Victoria, Canada,
2 Raincoast Conservation Foundation, Sidney, Canada,
3 Watershed Watch Salmon Society, Coquitlam, Canada,
4 Department of Statistics and Actuarial Science, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, Canada,
5 Skeena Fisheries Commission, Hazelton, Canada,
6 Earth to Ocean Research Group, Department of Biology, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, Canada

Abstract

Background: Pathogens are growing threats to wildlife. The rapid growth of marine salmon farms over the past two decades has increased host abundance for pathogenic sea lice in coastal waters, and wild juvenile salmon swimming past farms are frequently infected with lice. Here we report the first investigation of the potential role of salmon farms in transmitting sea lice to juvenile sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka). Methodology/Principal Findings: We used genetic analyses to determine the origin of sockeye from Canada’s two most important salmon rivers, the Fraser and Skeena; Fraser sockeye migrate through a region with salmon farms, and Skeena sockeye do not. We compared lice levels between Fraser and Skeena juvenile sockeye, and within the salmon farm region we compared lice levels on wild fish either before or after migration past farms. We matched the latter data on wild juveniles with sea lice data concurrently gathered on farms. Fraser River sockeye migrating through a region with salmon farms hosted an order of magnitude more sea lice than Skeena River populations, where there are no farms. Lice abundances on juvenile sockeye in the salmon farm region were substantially higher downstream of farms than upstream of farms for the two common species of lice: Caligus clemensi and Lepeophtheirus salmonis, and changes in their proportions between two years matched changes on the fish farms. Mixed-effects models show that position relative to salmon farms best explained C. clemensi abundance on sockeye, while migration year combined with position relative to salmon farms and temperature was one of two top models to explain L. salmonis abundance. Conclusions/Significance: This is the first study to demonstrate a potential role of salmon farms in sea lice transmission to juvenile sockeye salmon during their critical early marine migration. Moreover, it demonstrates a major migration corridor past farms
 
Spoiler alert: every site has slightly different water quality in the Pacific AND the Atlantic (where there can't be any sea lice because there are no pink salmon) - speaking of LMAO

But what possibly could the 2 oceans have in common. hmmmm....
NOTHING that the beuti of what your saying
europe has a different sea lice species, right? you do know that there are over 500 different species of sea louse out in the world. please do share your science peer review paper that hows how you can tie together whats happening on the other side of the world to whats happening here? i only ask for paper... as this is what you do,shove paper at people.

you do know fish farming in europe has been around for hundreds of years.....its not new like here (40years)
 
lmao that paper was the one they based lined the broughton to bella bella. lol how can you go miles up the coast and compare? because there are no farms there? lots of inlets and bays in broughton that are and have been devoid of fish farms. surely you could baseline there? OOOO wait no you cant...sealice count are higher away from a farm. to make there point, they have to travel to "included an area without farms (Bella Bella) to assess baseline infection levels" this isn't about an area without farms, it the only area that does not have sea lice.

bring the baseline down to the infected area and rerun the study
 
Maybe you should actually read a number of the dozens of peer-reviewed articles I posted above, Bones
 
and yet still no tie to wild salmon stocks slowly dieing from sea lice. all you have is fish in a jar with afew lice on them...... a natural occurrence!!!
in all those papers how many chinook smolts are dieing? What runs are targeted? etc,etc,etc. your paper identify that sea lice are in the broughton and what else? in your words......i love to hear your thoughts after all you've post hundreds of papers here. if anyone can explain to a dummy like me you should be able to......
 
and yet still no tie to wild salmon stocks slowly dieing from sea lice. all you have is fish in a jar with afew lice on them...... a natural occurrence!!!
in all those papers how many chinook smolts are dieing? What runs are targeted? etc,etc,etc. your paper identify that sea lice are in the broughton and what else? in your words......i love to hear your thoughts after all you've post hundreds of papers here. if anyone can explain to a dummy like me you should be able to......
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Maybe you should actually read a number of the dozens of peer-reviewed articles I posted above, Bones

It appears Bones does not read all the material made available to him on Fish Farm Sea Lice and it's effect on wild salmon, or he has a very short memory, or he simply rejects any studies that conflict with his personal beliefs!
Below is my post of only a couple of weeks ago.....one of many studies Bones just ignores
Bones, do you understand this study which has been accepted by Fish Farms in general or reject it as "false news"
The bad news for Fish Farms is Slice, which last time I checked has not been approved for use in Canada, is becoming less and less effective.


Treating farmed salmon for sea lice prevents transfer to wild fish
… a paper published by the Ecological Society of America states that when farmers in that region treat their stock with a chemical known as Slice, they can knock back the sea lice population so effectively that few of the parasites transfer to wild fish.
The paper also reports, however, that farms should use the treatment earlier in the year to maximize the impact.
The researchers found that outbreaks in the wild populations were significantly lower when farmed fish were treated with Slice late in winter, before wild juvenile pink salmon had begun to migrate past the net pens.
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...e5335578/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

fogged in, Oct 26, 2017
 
and yet still no tie to wild salmon stocks slowly dieing from sea lice. all you have is fish in a jar with afew lice on them...... a natural occurrence!!!
in all those papers how many chinook smolts are dieing? What runs are targeted? etc,etc,etc. your paper identify that sea lice are in the broughton and what else? in your words......i love to hear your thoughts after all you've post hundreds of papers here. if anyone can explain to a dummy like me you should be able to......
as above, Bones - you may wish to actually read the peer-reviewed science. If not - your prerogative - but that means we are not having a science-based debate - but you are instead merely expressing your beliefs and what you wish was true...
 
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Aquaculture and environmental drivers of salmon lice infestation and body condition in sea trout

Samuel Shephard1, Craig MacIntyre2, Patrick Gargan1,*
1Inland Fisheries Ireland, 3044 Lake Drive, CityWest Business Campus, Dublin 24 Y265, Ireland
2Argyll Fisheries Trust, Cherry Park, Inveraray PA32 8XE, UK

ABSTRACT: Infestation of sea trout Salmo trutta L. by salmon lice Lepeophtheirus salmonis is associated with increased mortality risk and possible sub-lethal effects. Separating anthropogenic causes of infestation from background ecological variability has proved difficult. A unique 25 yr dataset was collated comprising lice counts from >20 000 sea trout sampled from 94 separate river and lake systems in Ireland and Scotland at varying distances from marine salmon farms. Statistical models were developed to explore the potential effects of distance to a salmon farm, rainfall and ambient temperature on sea trout lice infestation and body condition (weight at length). These models indicated that sea trout captured closer to salmon farms had significantly higher levels of lice infestation, and that this effect was exacerbated in warmer years. Sea trout sampled closer to salmon farms also had significantly reduced weight at length (impaired condition), with the strongest impact in dry years. The study dataset covers a broad geographic area over multiple years, and accounts for variability in temperature and rainfall. Our results imply a rather general impact of salmon farming on lice infestation and body condition of sea trout. This finding has implications for current lice control management strategies, coastal zone planning, recovery of sea trout stocks in aquaculture areas and the scale of aquaculture free zones.
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Temporal variation in sea trout Salmo trutta life history traits in the Erriff River, western Ireland

P. G. Gargan1,*, F. L. Kelly1, S. Shephard1, K. F. Whelan2
1Inland Fisheries Ireland, 3044 Lake Drive, Citywest Business Campus, Dublin, D24 Y265, Ireland
2School of Biology & Environment Science, University College Dublin, Dublin 4, Ireland

ABSTRACT: The demographic and life history characteristics of sea trout Salmo trutta L. populations can be changed by a range of pressures in both freshwater and marine environments. Few long-term monitoring programmes are in place to assess temporal change in population dynamics. We analysed a 20 yr time series (1985−2004) using 15 sea trout population response variables in the Erriff River, western Ireland. Over this period, when time was considered as a categorical variable comprising 4 sequential periods of 5 yr, important life history changes were observed. The most dramatic of these changes corresponded with the period immediately after the commencement of salmon farming in the local estuary, with significant decreases in the number and length of sea trout kelts, the estimated number of eggs deposited, the sea trout rod catch, the proportion of older (1+ and 2+ sea age) fish and the frequency of repeat spawners. We found a significant positive relationship between the number of salmon lice Lepeophtheirus salmonis in the local salmon farm and the number of lice found on sea trout collected contemporaneously in local rivers. Results of this long-term monitoring programme demonstrate that significant changes in sea trout population structure with respect to quantitative life history traits can occur over a relatively short time period and suggest that the introduction of salmon farming into the local estuary most likely contributed to the observed changes in sea trout population dynamics.
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Effects of salmon lice Lepeophtheirus salmonis on wild sea trout Salmo trutta—a literature review

Eva B. Thorstad1,*, Christopher D. Todd2, Ingebrigt Uglem1, Pål Arne Bjørn3, Patrick G. Gargan4, Knut Wiik Vollset5, Elina Halttunen3, Steinar Kålås6, Marius Berg1, Bengt Finstad1

1Norwegian Institute for Nature Research, 7485 Trondheim, Norway
2University of St Andrews, St Andrews, Fife, KY16 8LB, UK
3Institute of Marine Research, 9294 Tromsø, Norway
4Inland Fisheries Ireland, 3044 Lake Drive, Citywest Business Campus, Dublin 24, Ireland
5Uni Research Environment, 5006 Bergen, Norway
6Rådgivende Biologer AS, 5003 Bergen, Norway

ABSTRACT: Salmon farming increases the abundance of salmon lice, which are ectoparasites of salmonids in the sea. Here we review the current knowledge on the effects of salmon lice on wild sea trout. Salmon lice feed on host mucus, skin and muscle, and infestation may induce osmoregulatory dysfunction, physiological stress, anaemia, reduced feeding and growth, increased susceptibility to secondary infections, reduced disease resistance and ultimately mortality of individual sea trout. Wild sea trout in farm-free areas generally show low lice levels. In farm-intensive areas, lice levels on wild sea trout are typically higher, and more variable than in farm-free areas. Lice on wild sea trout are found at elevated levels particularly within 30 km of the nearest farms but can also extend to further ranges. Salmon lice in intensively farmed areas have negatively impacted wild sea trout populations by reducing growth and increasing marine mortality. Quantification of these impacts remains a challenge, although population-level effects have been quantified in Atlantic salmon by comparing the survival of chemically protected fish with control groups, which are relevant also for sea trout. Mortality attributable to salmon lice can lead to an average of 12−29% fewer salmon spawners. Reduced growth and increased mortality will reduce the benefits of marine migration for sea trout, and may also result in selection against anadromy in areas with high lice levels. Salmon lice-induced effects on sea trout populations may also extend to altered genetic composition and reduced diversity, and possibly to the local loss of sea trout, and establishment of exclusively freshwater resident populations.
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Evidence of salmon lice-induced mortality of anadromous brown trout (Salmo trutta) in the Hardangerfjord, Norway

ØYSTEIN SKAALA1*, STEINAR KA° LA° S2 & REIDAR BORGSTRØM3

1Institute of Marine Research, Bergen, Norway, 2Ra°dgivende biologer, Bredsga°rden, Bergen, Norway, and 3Department of Ecology and Natural Resource Management, Norwegian University of Life Sciences, A ° s, Norway

Abstract

The Hardangerfjord, western Norway, is an area with a high concentration of salmon farms, high levels of infection of salmon lice in anadromous brown trout, and declining trout populations. This study assessed the marine survival rate of anadromous trout from the River Guddalselva, in the central part of the fjord, and tested the hypothesis that trout populations in this area are depressed by salmon lice infection. From 2001 to 2011, all descending smolts and trout returning from the fjord were captured in the traps at the field station of the Institute of Marine Research. In 2004 and 2005, parts of the smolt cohorts were treated with the Substance EX to prevent sea lice infection. From 2007 to 2010, all smolts (n_3557) were also tagged with individual tags. The results show a survival rate in the sea of only 0.58_3.41% for tagged smolts, which is extremely low. The highest survival rates appeared in the years with the lowest recordings of salmon lice in spring. The survival rate of Substance EX-treated smolts and controls was 3.41% and 1.76%, respectively. These findings suggest that salmon lice infection is an important contributor to the high mortality of anadromous trout populations in the Hardangerfjord.
 
lol, sea trout in Ireland? thats what you have? no dead sea lice infected smolts? what runs are affected by sea lice in the broughton? no dna sample or sampling?
 
Yea
lol, sea trout in Ireland? thats what you have? no dead sea lice infected smolts? what runs are affected by sea lice in the broughton? no dna sample or sampling?

Yeah, AA, don't you know we have "Super Salmon" here in BC that aren't affected by sealice and all those other nasty diseases that fish farms carry?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/farmed-salmon-bc-disease-hsmi-aquaculture-1.3593958



Thought this was an interesting response from someone on this article I was reading...
"our ocean is a test tube for a non-native fish. And we get harassed at border crossings for bringing an orange across..."

From reading the responses from these articles it's fairly obvious what the majority of the public think of these fish farms. Governments should heed that they are the same people that pay their paychecks and they have given an oath to serve.
 
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i do realize that some of this is not science papers, as some of the research is on going. but you cant argue DNA lab results. you will argue the butt out this but..... all these researchers can put the gun in someone's hand........ what is happening here is because they know how much the smolt weights, how much the seal weights, they know how much biomass the seal needs to survive they can extrapolate how many smolst they eat.... what type of smolt they are eating and from what runs. please from all science papers you have provided, can you connect the dots for me???

also note on the east coast a cull on seals has been recognized and called for, the selling of seal reproductive parts seems to be the target.

This in 1990

https://www.fws.gov/wafwo/fisheries/Publications/FP099.pdf

This in 2000

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.666.5251&rep=rep1&type=pdf

this one in 2010

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...e4352730/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

http://www.tofinotime.com/articles/A-T1001-12-how-much-salmon-do-seals-eat.htm
this one 2011
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0014779

this one 2014

https://www.psf.ca/blog/seals-taking-bite-out-salmon-survival?page=1

this in 2016

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...e-large-salmon-diet-say-researchers-1.3424565

http://www.vancouversun.com/technol...ocks+strait+georgia+study/11673383/story.html

https://www.researchgate.net/public...arget_juvenile_salmon_of_conservation_concern

This one in 2017

http://mmru.ubc.ca/2017/08/into-the-field-harbor-seals-prey-on-salmon-smolts/

http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=612595

http://www.cbbulletin.com/439218.aspp



https://www.eopugetsound.org/magazine/is/predators-chinook

http://wabc-afs.org/w/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/5_BNelson_April_12_AFS.pdf
 
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Yeah, AA, don't you know we have "Super Salmon" here in BC that aren't affected by sealice and all those other nasty diseases that fish farms carry?

lol 500+ sea lice species in the world how is it there water chemistry has anything to do with ours? i have asked this in the past and all you do is point fun at me.... you never seem to answer me.
 
i do realize that some of this is not science papers, as some of the research is on going. but you cant argue DNA lab results. you will argue the butt out this but..... all these researchers can put the gun in someone's hand........ what is happening here is because they know how much the smolt weights, how much the seal weights, they know how much biomass the seal needs to survive they can extrapolate how many smolst they eat.... what type of smolt they are eating and from what runs. please from all science papers you have provided, can you connect the dots for me???

also note on the east coast a cull on seals has been recognized and called for, the selling of seal reproductive parts seems to be the target.

This in 1990

https://www.fws.gov/wafwo/fisheries/Publications/FP099.pdf

This in 2000

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.666.5251&rep=rep1&type=pdf

this one in 2010

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...e4352730/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

http://www.tofinotime.com/articles/A-T1001-12-how-much-salmon-do-seals-eat.htm
this one 2011
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0014779

this one 2014

https://www.psf.ca/blog/seals-taking-bite-out-salmon-survival?page=1

this in 2016

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...e-large-salmon-diet-say-researchers-1.3424565

http://www.vancouversun.com/technol...ocks+strait+georgia+study/11673383/story.html

https://www.researchgate.net/public...arget_juvenile_salmon_of_conservation_concern

This one in 2017

http://mmru.ubc.ca/2017/08/into-the-field-harbor-seals-prey-on-salmon-smolts/

http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=612595

http://www.cbbulletin.com/439218.aspp



https://www.eopugetsound.org/magazine/is/predators-chinook

http://wabc-afs.org/w/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/5_BNelson_April_12_AFS.pdf



pretty sure seals have been eating salmon as long as there have been seals and salmon on this earth... That's basically a part of nature... Good try though.
 
are you going to try to answer it with: just asking me to prove it isnt? again?

Why not? That's what you do.
Actually I'm not trying to answer it. It's up to the Fish Farm industry to show their farms aren't killing wild salmon. I'm just asking you to show me a direct link in this study that says "wild salmon are not dying because of farmed fish"?
I've read it and don't see one. Use any study you like.
 
no i don't and no it isn't up to an industry. they follow the guideline set up by the governing bodies.

lmao i just showed you that smolts do not exit the estuary and seals are eating them, where did you get lost in this? at the beginning? i also included a video just "in case".
all you ever do is come back with childish responses, please follow up with something intelligent. i have some what.


and yet again you provided no answer.
lol 500+ sea lice species in the world how is it there water chemistry has anything to do with ours? i have asked this in the past and all you do is point fun at me.... you never seem to answer me.
 
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