Fraser River sockeye returns predicted to be dismal — again — this summer

Celebrity activists launch B.C. salmon farm expedition
David Suzuki gets pretty scatological when he talks about his problems with open-net salmon farming on B.C.’s coast.

“As a scientist, it makes no sense to grow animals in open nets where you use the ocean as a shithouse,” the famed environmentalist told reporters Monday. “Not only are you pooping in the ocean, but you’re also sharing the growth of sea lice and infections that explode in the enclosures.”

so what old david is saying is........ it not ok in the ocean because your turning it into a shithouse........ but perfectly ok to raise animals and turn our land into a shithouse?
 
Several reasons are to blame for this summer’s dismal situation, including low spawning escapements four years ago and poor survival related to warm ocean conditions.

“Unusually warm ocean temperatures, now referred to as the ‘warm blob’, were observed in the central northeast Pacific Ocean throughout 2014 and 2015,” the commission said in a news release. “Warm temperatures of this magnitude and duration have not been observed in over 50 years.” Forgot to mention the gaunlet of Sea Lice Infested and Disease carrying Salmon Farm Feed lots the sockeye smolts need to swim past in order to survive to be able to return and spawn.

a gauntlet of sea lice??? why is it then that when the "Infested and Disease carrying Salmon Farm Feed lots" release smolts their not effected? when i was farming there no mortality to our smolts to sea lice. one year we delivered 15 million smolts to the "Infested and Disease carrying Salmon Farm Feed lots" and none where lost to lice. are you saying lice only has a taste for wild fish? why is it on my farm i could have as many fish as 3-4 million and lice counts where normal?
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but are the farm raised Salmon not treated with anti biotics and chemicals to prevent issues that occur from being raised in that close of proximity to each other. I don't believe the wild fish have those options when they become infected or infested with sea lice.
 
when i was farming there no mortality to our smolts to sea lice. one year we delivered 15 million smolts to the "Infested and Disease carrying Salmon Farm Feed lots" and none where lost to lice. are you saying lice only has a taste for wild fish? why is it on my farm i could have as many fish as 3-4 million and lice counts where normal?[/QUOTE said:
OK then explain this. Do you think those smolts would actually survive? And what do you consider to be "lice counts were normal"?
Researchers Find Sea-lice Transmit Disease


Preliminary results from researchers at DFO's Pacific Biological Station have confirmed what many have long suspected: sealice can act as disease vectors carrying pathogens between salmon farms and wild populations. While the impact of the parasites has long been established the new study adds another layer of concern. In recent years populations of wild salmon in the Georgia Basin have collapsed prompting a wave of research and a judicial commission to investigate the factors associated with the decline of Fraser Sockeye and other nearby stocks. While scientists long ago established a link between juvenile mortality and sea lice parasitism, mounting evidence suggests disease is likely a major factor in the decline of salmon from Vancouver Island to the Puget Sound. More information in an article from the Canada Post:

http://www.canada.com/lice+infection+link+found+during+studies/4992788/story.html

POSTED BY OSPREY AT 12:23 PM

LABELS: DISEASE, GEORGIA BASIN, SEA LICE
 
for every study done on how fish farms promote sea lice in the ocean there is a study that says different. IF sea lice are killing out going smolt production, then why they not killing out going farm smolts????? they go into the water same time of the year. ps the link is broken.

how about this one.... you put millions of salmon in 50x50 net pens all down the coast.... right? seals will prey on these little guys fattening them up and the pup survival rate increases (healthy mom healthy baby). i would sometimes lose 10,000 a night!!!. take there food source away... farms and what are they going to eat? well those wild stocks.... it's the ocean version of the fox and hare. as hares population increase so does the fox and after a few cycles the hare has no food and crashes, then so does the fox. the only difference is the seal can forage on other sources waiting for salmon returns.

farms in i think 2013 produced 130,000 metric tons triple of what the commercial people took. 85% is shipped out of country. IF farms are completely removed what will fill the tonnage? ah.... wild stocks.

you could turn the whole thing around and say Wild salmon are killing my farmed fish. eh? i dropped 5 million smolts over 5 farms in sechelt and they where lice free. now i come back 4 week later and there dieing because of sea lice.
 
so what old david is saying is........ it not ok in the ocean because your turning it into a shithouse........ but perfectly ok to raise animals and turn our land into a shithouse?
Are there 'wild' iconic to BC, cattle and pigs out there that are indicator species for the livelihood of our citizens?
 
Bones, Watch the Video from SteelyDan and tell me the Sockeye Lice infestation from the Dirty,Rotten Fish Farm feed lots is not disgusting. It's killing the runs of Sopckeye going to the Fraser you can't argue with Proof can you?
 
Are there 'wild' iconic to BC, cattle and pigs out there that are indicator species for the livelihood of our citizens?
Are you asking if I think are are wild cows and pigs walking around in the wild????
Lol... Um no I'm saying that there are so many free range cattle on crown land pooping on native grasses and plants. there is nothing left for mule deer and elk and mountain caribou to eat and historic population level of these ungulates are gone. As a population we love red meat so we live with it and let them use out back yards as a "shithouse". So in short its ok for land farms to use our backyard as a shithouse but not ok for ocean farming.... Make any sense? Sortta double standard for farming isn't it?
 
It's a great video and I do see your points but.... There is no link showing farms are responsible for this. Why do the farms not complain about smolt survival rates. I mean when we used to fly in smolts we would put 50,000 into a 20x20 pen for 6-8 months. Why is it that lice isn't wiping out farm smolts? Why is it that they only have a taste for wild meat?
 
Unfortunately, the narrator spoke about the run of 2010 being at risk due to lice, yet how many Sockeye returned that year?
Yes. At 5:30 in the video The narrator says the effect of that"infestation" are yet to be seen in the 2010 return. That return was the best return in 100 years. I suspect that video will be taken down for that hard fact which a poses the narrators beliefs. Interesting point bgm.
It is telling that these video's never show video of the sample as a whole it only hand picked samples that make the headlines such as the hand picked samples in the white bucket in this video.
 
Bones, Watch the Video from SteelyDan and tell me the Sockeye Lice infestation from the Dirty,Rotten Fish Farm feed lots is not disgusting. It's killing the runs of Sopckeye going to the Fraser you can't argue with Proof can you?

Is the best run in 100 years not enough proof for you?
 
I wonder how many days David Suzuki has spent on the Fraser. I wonder if he has ever observed the gauntlet of nets around Chilliwack ?
The return in 2014 was what? There was **** all for sox in river that year. You couldnt even barfish in the Fraser without having your rods taken out by the drift sets.
 
Bones, Watch the Video from SteelyDan and tell me the Sockeye Lice infestation from the Dirty,Rotten Fish Farm feed lots is not disgusting. It's killing the runs of Sopckeye going to the Fraser you can't argue with Proof can you?

I am on your side, but if that video is supposed to provide evidence of the negative effects of fish farms on Sockeye, then it is a pure fail in every sense of the word fail.
 
IIRC 2014 was forecasted 10-72m but then after it was said and done more like 26m was what theyd said. Just like the 2010 year which was forecasted low but then far exceded anything expected. Now they use more realistic forecasting which basically states theyre like weathermen they have an idea of whats going on but the best thing to do is stick your head out the window or go and wet a line.

Dont quote me on any of those numbers though because i cant say there facts.
 
I was in Save On yesterday and they are selling FRESH Sockeye. I am curious what the source is - Alaska, the Alberni run ???.

There also seems to be Sockeye in numbers in JDF now. No one is targeting them but a few do hook up incidentally and you can mark the tight schools on the sounder.
 
Yes. At 5:30 in the video The narrator says the effect of that"infestation" are yet to be seen in the 2010 return. That return was the best return in 100 years. I suspect that video will be taken down for that hard fact which a poses the narrators beliefs. Interesting point bgm.
It is telling that these video's never show video of the sample as a whole it only hand picked samples that make the headlines such as the hand picked samples in the white bucket in this video.
It's all good then right? Those sea lice on the smolt were just a one off and there really is no problem with Sea Lice on Fish Farms is there? Why do they use SLICE?
Chemical Treatments: SLICE

Atlantic salmon with sea lice.

Salmon farms are breeding grounds for sea lice due to the high densities of fish in relatively small net-cages. In an attempt to control chronic lice infestation, salmon farmers use pesticide treatments. Emamectin benzoate (marketed as SLICE®) is the preferred chemical for sea lice control in Canada. However, the use of this pesticide has long been opposed by scientists and environmental groups due to lack of thorough scientific research on its effects.

Up until June 2009 SLICE was only available to fish farmers through the Emergency Drug Release Program, which allows the use of non-approved drugs when recommended by veterinarians for emergency situations. In June 2009, Health Canada quietly approved the use of this chemical and when CAAR contacted Health Canada requesting approval criteria, we received the disturbing response that research was conducted by the manufacturer, is proprietary, and is not available to the public.

The previously required withdrawal period of 68 days between the last use of SLICE and harvest of the treated fish has disappeared with the approval. Given that SLICE has been shown to persist in the tissue of fish and the environment for weeks to months, this is a step backward for food and environmental safety.

Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) and the Ministry of Environment are currently conducting a joint study on the biological effects of SLICE, but findings won’t be released until fall 2009 or later. The University of Victoria also has a similar study underway. As these critical studies are still pending, approval of this pesticide is totally inappropriate.

Emamectin benzoate belongs to a class of chemicals called avermectin which are poisons affecting nerve cells.1 Farmed salmon ingest SLICE as an additive to their feed. Upon digestion, the drug passes through the lining of the fish’s gut and into its tissues, where it is then absorbed by sea lice attached to the fish’s body. SLICE can begin to control sea lice numbers on fish in as little as a few days after treatment. Although SLICE contains emamectin benzoate (0.2%), an active ingredient in pesticides, it is classified as a drug because it is fed to the fish rather than applied externally.

SLICE is not a targeted treatment; it affects the skeletal build up of crustaceans—including prawns, crab, and shrimp, as well as sea lice. Also, because of its ability to accumulate in sediments, SLICE could become toxic to other marine life. Its frequent use on salmon farms could therefore jeopardize the livelihoods of coastal fishing communities reliant on wild species.

The label of the pesticide ‘Proclaim’, in which emamectin benzoate is the only active ingredient, clearly warns that:

“This pesticide is toxic to fish, birds, mammals, and aquatic invertebrates. Do not apply directly to water, or to areas where surface water is present, or to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate water when cleaning equipment or disposing of equipment wash water.” 2

The US Food and Drug Administration has listed emamectin benzoate as an unapproved drug that should not be used on fish destined for consumption in the US. However, according to Canadian government information, on average, this chemical is being used at least once during the production of every farmed salmon from British Columbia – with over 80% of this product going to the US market.

Since 2005, salmon farmers in BC have used an average of 7,240 kilograms of SLICE per year to treat lice-infested fish – showing a steady dependency on the drug.3

Meanwhile, reports from Chile, Norway and Canada’s east coast have indicated that sea lice are showing signs of resistance to treatments, including emamectin benzoate, likely due to frequent and heavy applications.

Signs of resistance have led to the testing of alternative pesticides. In July 2009, scientists, environmentalists and fishermen raised concerns about the testing of deltamethrin, marketed as Alphamax®, on a few of Cooke Aquaculture’s farms in New Brunswick. Deltamethrin is highly toxic to crustaceans and is administered via a chemical bath: the net-cages are surrounded by tarps, farmed fish soak in pesticide solution and then the tarps are opened and the chemical is released into the ecosystem.

Open net-cages perpetuate this chemical dependency and by design cannot prevent the transfer of parasites between farmed and wild fish.

Based on existing trials, closed containment systems address the sea lice problems that plague net-cage salmon farms by separating farmed and wild fish. This separation could potentially eliminate the need for toxic chemical treatments and any chemical release into the environment. Learn more about closed system aquaculture.

References


1 Valles, S.M. and P.G. Koehler, Insecticides used in the urban environment: mode of action. 1997, University of Florida Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences: Gainseville, FL p. 4

2 Novartis, Proclaim Insecticide. 1999, Novartis Crop Protection, Inc.: Greensboro, NC p. 7

3 BC Ministry of Environment
 
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