Up for auction 2 23’ Hourston boats.

Even if engines are damaged there is still a lot of money to be made parting them out. Will be interesting to see what they go for.
If they were in BC they would be worth a lot more
Hi,
New to the site, came across this thread while researching Hourston boats.

I've purchased a few boats from the government website in the past, noticed the two Hourston 23s last week, love the style, didn't know the history of the brand.....did a little research, now I realize that they are popular out west, and by and large, relatively unknown here in Ontario.

I ended up being the successful bidder for both of the 23s. Someone mentioned making a video of what they are like, if anyone is interested, I can video them whenever I see them for the first time.

Main reason for posting......just had a couple of questions:

- anything in particular I should be on the look out for in terms of known issues (other than what 10 years of sitting outside can cause) From what I can tell, both are 2010 models.

- would anyone have an approx gross weight (not including the trailer)

Thanks
 
Hi,
New to the site, came across this thread while researching Hourston boats.

I've purchased a few boats from the government website in the past, noticed the two Hourston 23s last week, love the style, didn't know the history of the brand.....did a little research, now I realize that they are popular out west, and by and large, relatively unknown here in Ontario.

I ended up being the successful bidder for both of the 23s. Someone mentioned making a video of what they are like, if anyone is interested, I can video them whenever I see them for the first time.

Main reason for posting......just had a couple of questions:

- anything in particular I should be on the look out for in terms of known issues (other than what 10 years of sitting outside can cause) From what I can tell, both are 2010 models.

- would anyone have an approx gross weight (not including the trailer)

Thanks

Congrats. Sounds like you got a helluva deal! What are your plans for them? Flip? Keep for a business?
 
Hi,
New to the site, came across this thread while researching Hourston boats.

I've purchased a few boats from the government website in the past, noticed the two Hourston 23s last week, love the style, didn't know the history of the brand.....did a little research, now I realize that they are popular out west, and by and large, relatively unknown here in Ontario.

I ended up being the successful bidder for both of the 23s. Someone mentioned making a video of what they are like, if anyone is interested, I can video them whenever I see them for the first time.

Main reason for posting......just had a couple of questions:

- anything in particular I should be on the look out for in terms of known issues (other than what 10 years of sitting outside can cause) From what I can tell, both are 2010 models.

- would anyone have an approx gross weight (not including the trailer)

Thanks
Wicked! Where are you planning to bring them to? Would love a video; you should do a youtube restoration series!

Like any fiberglass boat, check the transom and stringers. I imagine if they have been sitting, they are pretty solid. Anywhere they have drilled holes and mounted things, plan to remove and reseal.


23' Hourston sedan
- Length overall - centreline - 23' [24'10" w/OB nd swim grid]
- Gunwale length - 24'8"
- Beam - 8'9"
- Dry wt - 5300 lbs [5100 lbs in another document]

To keep this thread going they have a nice 32 and someone loves ribs more than me, already at 40k for the other boat https://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm...&jstp=sly&hpsr=&hpcs=1900&vndsld=0&saleType=A
 
I don't have a globe and mail subscription but someone else might. What happened to the guy building Hourstons down in WA?

Nov 1, 2010 — Shipbuilder Bill Hourston knows more than most about handling murky waters, but it was his ability to navigate an 86-page bid document that ...
 
Wicked! Where are you planning to bring them to? Would love a video; you should do a youtube restoration series!

Like any fiberglass boat, check the transom and stringers. I imagine if they have been sitting, they are pretty solid. Anywhere they have drilled holes and mounted things, plan to remove and reseal.


23' Hourston sedan
- Length overall - centreline - 23' [24'10" w/OB nd swim grid]
- Gunwale length - 24'8"
- Beam - 8'9"
- Dry wt - 5300 lbs [5100 lbs in another document]

To keep this thread going they have a nice 32 and someone loves ribs more than me, already at 40k for the other boat https://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm...&jstp=sly&hpsr=&hpcs=1900&vndsld=0&saleType=A
Guys,

Thanks for the replies and info.

I don't want to jinx myself, but I made a few calls to get info on the 23s before bidding.......supposedly, both have been sitting there ever since they were sent from Ottawa 10 years ago. Neither have been put into service, only tested upon delivery. Engine hours are expected to be near zero. Both engines had been winterized at one point. Trailer axles/hubs are shot, so both need be winched onto a low boy or drop deck. I'll shoot a video of what I find when they eventually get to me.

As for my plans, I don't really have one, I just like fixing up neglected boats (only zodiac 733s until now) I'll keep one and most likely have to make a decision between it and my zodiac 733.

When the time comes, would I be better off putting one on the market in BC or here in Ontario ?

On a side note, I think these are two of four sedans that were mentioned in the article that you posted. If I had to guess, Ottawa bought four, used two and let two sit along the shores of the st.Lawrence for the past 10 yrs....

Appreciate the feedback.
 
If the internal structures are in good shape, you did well. A new or used trailer to hold that weight will not be cheap though.

The hull design is intended for west coast weather and wave conditions. I am sure the Great Lakes have some similar conditions, however they are a known entity out here.
 
I don't have a globe and mail subscription but someone else might. What happened to the guy building Hourstons down in WA?

Nov 1, 2010 — Shipbuilder Bill Hourston knows more than most about handling murky waters, but it was his ability to navigate an 86-page bid document that ...
He was paid $650k to build four boats?!!
 
Guys,

Thanks for the replies and info.

I don't want to jinx myself, but I made a few calls to get info on the 23s before bidding.......supposedly, both have been sitting there ever since they were sent from Ottawa 10 years ago. Neither have been put into service, only tested upon delivery. Engine hours are expected to be near zero. Both engines had been winterized at one point. Trailer axles/hubs are shot, so both need be winched onto a low boy or drop deck. I'll shoot a video of what I find when they eventually get to me.

As for my plans, I don't really have one, I just like fixing up neglected boats (only zodiac 733s until now) I'll keep one and most likely have to make a decision between it and my zodiac 733.

When the time comes, would I be better off putting one on the market in BC or here in Ontario ?

On a side note, I think these are two of four sedans that were mentioned in the article that you posted. If I had to guess, Ottawa bought four, used two and let two sit along the shores of the st.Lawrence for the past 10 yrs....

Appreciate the feedback.
They have such a cult following out here that I think that it would be worth your while to sell one out here, always depends on the market as well. Good luck with your project and have fun!
 
Guys,

Thanks for the replies and info.

I don't want to jinx myself, but I made a few calls to get info on the 23s before bidding.......supposedly, both have been sitting there ever since they were sent from Ottawa 10 years ago. Neither have been put into service, only tested upon delivery. Engine hours are expected to be near zero. Both engines had been winterized at one point. Trailer axles/hubs are shot, so both need be winched onto a low boy or drop deck. I'll shoot a video of what I find when they eventually get to me.

As for my plans, I don't really have one, I just like fixing up neglected boats (only zodiac 733s until now) I'll keep one and most likely have to make a decision between it and my zodiac 733.

When the time comes, would I be better off putting one on the market in BC or here in Ontario ?

On a side note, I think these are two of four sedans that were mentioned in the article that you posted. If I had to guess, Ottawa bought four, used two and let two sit along the shores of the st.Lawrence for the past 10 yrs....

Appreciate the feedback.
Interesting did they include the missing leg? One appeared to be on a trailer that was used and one a newer or unused trailer with electric over hauling brakes but hull was missing the prop and out drive?

If I were you I’d fix it up, come out and fish it and leave it with a broker in Vancouver.
He was paid $650k to build four boats?!!
I call $100 bills boat nickels, 1M are government nickels. Compared to what we are currently “investing” in when it comes to CG and Navy vessels that is nothing, 650k is likely not even the money wasted in a week. Don’t get me wrong some good money is being spent on needed vessels but a lot is wasted IMHO. We have ships we don’t have the budget and personnel to even use now, so instead we are paying to maintain them at the dock.
 
Interesting did they include the missing leg? One appeared to be on a trailer that was used and one a newer or unused trailer with electric over hauling brakes but hull was missing the prop and out drive?

If I were you I’d fix it up, come out and fish it and leave it with a broker in Vancouver.

I call $100 bills boat nickels, 1M are government nickels. Compared to what we are currently “investing” in when it comes to CG and Navy vessels that is nothing, 650k is likely not even the money wasted in a week. Don’t get me wrong some good money is being spent on needed vessels but a lot is wasted IMHO. We have ships we don’t have the budget and personnel to even use now, so instead we are paying to maintain them at the dock.
I asked about the missing leg, was told it was removed 6 years ago, while the boat sat there.

Thanks for the idea about heading west with one.

They sit approx 12 hrs away from me, as of now, both will be put on separate drop decks and shipped to me. I'd be up for a road trip, but they won't let the trailers be hitch pulled off the property. Government rules, I guess.
 
I call $100 bills boat nickels, 1M are government nickels. Compared to what we are currently “investing” in when it comes to CG and Navy vessels that is nothing, 650k is likely not even the money wasted in a week. Don’t get me wrong some good money is being spent on needed vessels but a lot is wasted IMHO. We have ships we don’t have the budget and personnel to even use now, so instead we are paying to maintain them at the dock.
Not including the rush orders in mid to late December to spend all of the budget so you don’t get a reduced allotment the following year because it appears you didn’t need what they originally gave you for the year.
 
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I asked about the missing leg, was told it was removed 6 years ago, while the boat sat there.

Thanks for the idea about heading west with one.

They sit approx 12 hrs away from me, as of now, both will be put on separate drop decks and shipped to me. I'd be up for a road trip, but they won't let the trailers be hitch pulled off the property. Government rules, I guess.

Would be awesome if you could post pics or videos of the retrieval, first engine start and general process pics of the restoration. I know a lotta folks on here, myself included would love to feel a part of the process…
 
Not including the rush orders in mid to late December to spend all of the budget so you don’t get a reduced allotment the following year because it appears you didn’t need what they originally gave you for the year.

March 31st is govt year end, the stupidity starts around March 15th...and goes well into April haha
 
March 31st is govt year end, the stupidity starts around March 15th...and goes well into April haha
In the late 70s and early 80s when I was in Prince Rupert and working for a glass company, we would get huge orders for plexiglass and lexan in December because of year end according to the folks we dealt with and got purchase orders from. It may have changed to a different anniversary date now.
 
In the late 70s and early 80s when I was in Prince Rupert and working for a glass company, we would get huge orders for plexiglass and lexan in December because of year end according to the folks we dealt with and got purchase orders from. It may have changed to a different anniversary date now.
Nope . Fiscal year end is march 31
 
I don't have a globe and mail subscription but someone else might. What happened to the guy building Hourstons down in WA?

Nov 1, 2010 — Shipbuilder Bill Hourston knows more than most about handling murky waters, but it was his ability to navigate an 86-page bid document that ...

put cache: in front of the url and it bypasses that sometimes



Shipbuilder Bill Hourston knows more than most about handling murky waters, but it was his ability to navigate an 86-page bid document that clinched the contract for his company to build four hydrographic survey boats for the federal government.

"I do that side of things myself because it's actually become very complex," Mr. Hourston, chief executive officer of Hourston Glascraft Ltd., said from his shipyard in North Vancouver. His firm has delivered three vessels for Fisheries and Oceans Canada and is completing work on the fourth to fulfill the $650,000 contract awarded earlier this year.

"It used to be one or two pages. It was very simple," he said. "They used to have a very broad scope of what the boat would be like, and they sent it out to parties they thought could competitively bid on it."

Now, thousands of Canadian public tenders for goods and services – for amounts ranging from a few hundred dollars to multiple millions – are listed on what's known as the MERX website (www.merx.com). The site is updated daily with bid opportunities from the federal and provincial governments, as well as from the municipal, academic, school board and hospital sectors. Just last week, the federal government put out a tender for retirement-planning courses for Passport Canada employees, the government of Newfoundland and Labrador invited bids for Christmas lights, the University of Winnipeg requested proposals for fixed seating in two classrooms, and an Ottawa hospital posted a contract for a "secure Web gateway," along with dozens of other listings.

The government buys "a lot of stuff," Mr. Hourston said. "Any supplier who has a product that they think the government can use needs to be searching that MERX data on a weekly basis."

Even so, it is not always easy to spot the opportunities, Darcy Walsh, vice-president and director of procurement services at the communications and consulting firm Hill & Knowlton, said from his Ottawa office. "MERX itself is a complicated website that you really have to know how to navigate. For instance, you might be selling helicopters, but the government might list it on MERX under 'rotors.'"

That said, the procurement of goods and services has become far more transparent at all levels of government in the past decade, opening up a wealth of opportunities for small to mid-sized enterprises, Mr. Walsh noted.

"Procurement is not the way it used to be. It used to be who you know; today it's what you know," Mr. Walsh said, adding that a large part of his practice involves helping clients prepare their bids for scrutiny by government bureaucrats. Although the paperwork can appear daunting, "the RFP [request for proposals process]can set the winners apart from the losers right off the bat if you don't cross all your t's and dot all your i's," Mr. Walsh said.

"The most important thing, other than getting it in on time, is making sure they have answered every single question," added Keith Parker, who landed government contracts in his previous role as a manager with IBM Canada before opening his own procurement consultancy, called the Proposal Centre, in Ottawa.

"I have seen people just miss one mandatory requirement – it can be as simple as [not]including a person's university degree … and that can be a very easy way for a procurement officer to turn away a bid," Mr. Parker said.


However, the bid forms can be finessed beyond the contract specifications, he said. "In the more complex bids, involving service areas, or perhaps a new type of software or outsourcing arrangement or shipbuilding, there comes into play a lot more subjectivity or sentiment. The art is going beyond answering the questions and really speaking to the client as to why the client wants to work with you," he said.

If the bidding company senses that the procuring government is clearly adamant about the work being completed on time, it can include detailed references to how it finished other projects on budget and on time. In the sections asking about the bidder's approach to quality assurance and risk management, there is an opportunity to play up the company's experience and expertise, said Mr. Parker, whose clients range from large multinationals to small firms specializing in catering, graphic design, photography, information technology and translation services.

When Mr. Hourston saw the bid opportunity for the survey boats on the MERX website – just 10 days before the tender closing – he had to scramble to pull all the documentation together. Although he has previously supplied police boats to the RCMP and search-and-rescue vessels to the Coast Guard, government specs have become more exacting. He consulted a naval architect to add polish to his proposal for the boats, which will be equipped with equipment to create navigational charts.

The recession hit the boat industry hard, drying up demand for recreational models, so the order was a welcome development. The contract includes the option of an order for two more boats – which, he said happily, would require only a two-page form.

Special to The Globe and Mail
 
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