Reply With QuoteI'm sick of people that have no idea what they are talking about spewing off in every thread and disrespecting people that have been at the forefront of a fishery for a long time.
If you look a little, I think you might find that isn't the case for the latter.Originally Posted by calmsea
I'm sick of people that have no idea what they are talking about spewing off in every thread and disrespecting people that have been at the forefront of a fishery for a long time.
I'm actually enjoying reading the flack Rambler is getting. Just a couple of years ago he was on the rampage to get rid of jets on the Stamp which would f#$%k me out of my guide job. Now the shoes are on his feet he is getting some feel for what is like to be river enemy #1.lol
In my many years of guiding my most uncomfortable experience with another non guide angler was with Ian. Sure he is a good fisherman who is good to his guests but he has been a total ass to many other "including me" in the field. I can feel for some of the angry anglers and understand where they are comming from. Just because someone claims on the net that he is cool it will take some time for us to forget the other side of him that we have experienced in person. Maybe if he properly apologised to some of the people he pissed off in the past he would get more support for good marketing of sportfishing in B.C. from guys like me.
Leech, your point of over fishing what is a fragile river doesn't hold much ground. The skeena area that you claim has become over crowded just had record returns two years ago. Well that system has be sportfished heavily by guides tourists and local anglers for most of time. Please explain how the returns could be so good after years of over crowding? shouldn't all the heavily fished rivers be empty by now? Fact is that more anglers only divides the fish captures amongst more anglers. Your point has no conservation credibility. It is only shows discontent for competition.
Now that Rambler is a guide he has to face the burden of being competition to all the other regular anglers. Good luck with that.LOL It might be best for you to listen to thier complaints and start the long road of earning respect from the regulars. Your future on the river with the others might become more pleasnt.
Rambler, If MOE felt roe was swallowed too often by head than they wouldn't be using it them selves to catch wild brood. Another claim is that the fish keep getting repeatidly captured and if that was the case they wouldn't have any trouble catching brood which isn't the case here. Once the fish have been stung a few times they don't bite any gear as well. This year I witnessed over 250 steelhead captures "100 of them on bait" with two hooking fatalities one was on goey bob and one on a colorado spinner. If MOE cared to save individual fish a hook size regulation would be a better aproach. Keep fishing those kelts too. Catching head that have already spawned and fullfilled thier escapement directive is probably better than beating up on the pregnant and expecting does. Try minnow imitations when the fry hatch! Kelts lick them up.
Fishmyster - you are dead on. My issues have nothing to do with conservation, they have to do with the quality of fishing. The Skeena returns have been great but overcrowding is definitely an issue - ask anyone who lives and fishes up there. If you drift the Bulkley or Kispiox during October or November it can literally be difficult to find a spot to fish. There can be dozens of fishermen on the river at one time, and the majority of them are non-resident, non-guided anglers. These people contribute next to nothing to the local economy. There was a group of Americans last year who camped on the Copper for 3 weeks and claimed many of the best runs every morning, running their jet up and down the river and strategically dropping people off before daylight. You are right - it has nothing to do with conservation, it has to do with a degraded angling experience for resident anglers. The same can be said for the Cowie. How much fun is it to drift Stoltz to Vimy with 10 other boats? What if that number doubled, or even tripled? The only thing keeping this from happening right now are the poor returns. Add some hatchery production and some internet bragging and chest thumping and we'll get there soon enough!
What a stupid argument. Where do you think all those tourists stay, eat, buy some tackle, beer...? Give your head a shake, dude! Buy yourself your own pond if you want to have it all for yourself!
Now that's something I agree with you on.
Many of them stay in trailers and tents and bring all of their own supplies - that's my whole point! Jeez, this is not new information - do a little research before you make yourself look like an idiot. This has become a serious problem with regulations being changed to address it - ie. resident only days on weekends, quotas on rod days for non-residents, etc. Have you ever even fished up there?? I love all of you know it all newbs! Give your head a shake, dude.
Last edited by Blackleech; 03-21-2012 at 01:15 PM.
One of the few posts here that demonstrates someone who actually know a little about steelhead biology. In "conservation" terms, and if you "advocates" for steelhead really wanted to secure the future of steelehad in so-called "fragile" systems like the Cowichan, all fishing would be closed until after spawning has taken place and you'd only target mended kelts. I'm not advocating that, just suggesting that their is a fair amount of BS being thrown about in the name of "conservation" here.
Its not concern for the fish, or any kind of understanding of their biology that makes you feel the need to go after early season "chrome", it's your collective ego's and what you feel makes you "da man" when you catch one. They're prettier, heavier, shinier and WAY more photogenic - but only because they carry the reproductive potential of future generations in their guts.
The hypocrisy demonstrated in this thread is pretty sad fellas...
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Last edited by Cut Plug; 03-21-2012 at 01:39 PM.
Agreed. Thanks for the post.
I'm not a newb or up anybody's ass. In fact I don't have any reason to like RF.
I know the whole story about all this crowding issue up there and the new regulations for it. I have also fished up there a few times. I didn't find it overcrowded at all. There was miles and miles of rivers to explore. Over crowded is only a serios issue to those that dont like competition. I don't mind it because all those anglers just happen to love fishing too. Yes it is a bummer that we have to share what we all want for ourselves but that just isn't going to happen. For me I have blown my load on so many head that it is more fun to watch others catch fish than myself. Good for you guys on influencing the regulations. If that will help everyone get along better up there than maybe it could be adopted here. Give it a couple of trial years.
Oh leach, Do you think there is a problem with overcrowding by americans anglers down here on the island? If so where?
Just so everybody knows I am not trying to personaly defend RF in anyway here.
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