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    NATURE program on the state of wild Salmon

    Did anyone else see the Nature program on PBS last night on the state of our wild Salmon stocks and the problems regarding the whole hatchery program system? It was very informative and damn near depressing. Any thoughts?

    I'll try to find a link to watch it online.
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    This is the link for the preview, the show won't load due to copyright issues in Canada.

    http://video.pbs.org/video/1862122371/

    This is a great link regarding the wild Salmon issue. It has a US slant, but the information can be transferred to here as well.

    http://www.wildsalmon.org/index.php?...d=97&Itemid=69
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    Here's the introduction of the show. It was all I could get for the moment. Not all of the episode is here, but enough to get the drift of what's happening. Maybe one of our American members can download and post it so everyone could see it?

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episo...illusion/6619/
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    Missed it BB. Was it on satellite or cable? I like PBS alot. Commercial TV is driving me away from the boob-tube. Mindless!

    The other night I watched one commercial telling all the young girls & women that their hair colour sucked and they needed to buy this shit to colour it so they would be beautiful.
    The commercial that followed is selling the shit to put on their heads to fix what the colouring shit fu#cked up.

    I digress...
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    Cable. I wish I'd known about it in advance, I would have posted it for everyone to watch. You really need to see it Little Hawk, it fits right in with what you've been promoting on the site regarding loss of salmon stocks but also went into pretty deep detail regarding how the hatchery programs are actually damaging the genetic stock of what salmon are left and how that is further complicating recovery efforts. That's painting the program with a pretty broad brush, but there was way too much information to both remember 100% accurately and post here. That's why I'm hoping some other members saw the show.

    Gotta be a way to get it up and running on the forum.
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    watched it ,the mixed message i got was seemingly a bunch of crap ,alot of these wild stocks were indangered long ago with the intro of these dams,hatcheries have created a chance for these systems to recover but they can only sustain as many fish as the system is health wise ,still to many dams ,the sad message of this all that i got is that some people would love to see a system die rather then inhance it with hatchery fish,sad.its funny there was nomention of record returns of chinook since the forties and that the numbers have been increasing last few years, there will always be smaller tributaries in trouble not unlike our fraser system.

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    Satellite says it is on KCTS Seattle Tuesday 12noon and again Wednesday 4am.

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    I think it will be replayed again this Sunday 8 pm.
    At least that's what my TV schedule says

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    Great show thanks for the heads up.
    Show is about the Columbia river system and how it is being returned to it's natural state for the sake of wild salmon.
    Got to hand it to those yanks their way ahead of us when it comes to restoration of wild salmon habitat.
    Show is on again tonight 4am KCTS PBS Seattle.

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    BB I watched the PBS program Sunday night too. Very informative. For me it had two messages. 1) While hatcheries are a good idea in theory and work up to a point, the big danger is the overall reduction in genetic diversity. We humans "choose" different fish to breed than would get to breed naturally if the males and females are left to themselves to make choices. We humans cannot "manage" the ecosystem well, despite what we like to believe. The big explosions in the tern and cormorant populations feeding on the huge releases of hatchery fingerlings into the Columbia system was a classic example of the unintended effects of ecosystem so-called management. 2) The only real way forward is to restore the natural habitats, including removing dams and the Americans have done that with many small dams on tributaries. Unfortunately, the Grand Coulee and many other giant dams on the Columbia are not going to be removed any time soon!!

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