'Warm blob' of water in Pacific Ocean could hurt salmon

I call ******** on this. You say it could kill ALL. So show us the science on this.
You're missing the point 3x5. It's not a shell game. If "we" get "Southern Fish" - it means - NO FISH - at least for this outmigrating year that has to deal with the blob and the implications around food quantity, quality - and predators.
Maybe try reading what I actually post, OBD. I already showed you the science on this - on the LNG/Global Warming trend thread. I am not going to make this into another endless thread on climate change. If you don't wish to read it - stop complaining.
 
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/record...pups-stranded-on-california-beaches-1.3071629

Record number of emaciated sea lion pups stranded on California beaches

Canadian experts volunteering to help save them

By Kim Brunhuber, CBC News Posted: May 13, 2015 5:00 PM ET| Last Updated: May 13, 2015 8:14 PM ET

Thousands of sea lion pups stranded in California 2:51

RAW: Rescuing sea lions in California 1:34
http://www.cbc.ca/news/raw-rescuing-sea-lions-in-california-1.3073030
Photo of Kim Brunhuber

Kim Brunhuber
Los Angeles correspondent

Kim Brunhuber is the CBC News reporter in Los Angeles.

The phone rings but Peter Wallerstein can't answer. Not because he's driving, which he is, but because he's on his other phone.

"OK, I'll see what I can do. Thanks man. Bye. Hello?"

It goes on for hours. In the last two months, he's received 20 times more calls than normal.

"It's like this all day, all night, too," Wallerstein says. "You get calls at one in the morning, three in the morning… We get 50 to 60 calls a day on these sea lions."

Animal rescue centres in California are being inundated with stranded, starving sea lion pups, raising the possibility that the facilities could soon be overwhelmed, the agency co-ordinating the rescue said.

A record 1,450 starving pups have been rescued in Southern California so far this year, including 60 pups being tube-fed by specialists like SeaWorld's Nicole Simon, carrying one of her new charges, on March 18.

SeaWorld in San Diego shut down its sea lion show last week so that the company's staff and facilities could be used for sea lion rescues. The marine park has taken in nearly 500 of the malnourished mammals, spokesperson Kelly Terry said on March 17.

A SeaWorld animal care specialist feeds malnourished pups in one of two pools built specifically to deal with rescued sea lions. The reason behind the increased number of stranded pups is not clear, but scientists believe the marine predators are suffering from a scarcity of natural prey.

Sea lions rehabilitate at the Pacific Marine Mammal Center in Laguna Beach. The 2015 State of the California Current Report suggests that the increased number of sea lion pups being abandoned is a result of climate shifts in the Pacific Ocean forcing mothers to venture farther out to sea for food.

The Pacific Marine Mammal Center has taken in 285 animals — 10 times last year's final tally of 28 and double the count for 2013, according to Mary Beth Steen, the centre's director of development.

The pups, some of which are being found with up to 2 kg of rocks in their stomaches, are heading out to sea prematurely in search of food, veterinarians say. A rescued malnourished pup is nursed back to health on a steady diet of fish at SeaWorld.

Animal rescue centres in California are being inundated with stranded, starving sea lion pups, raising the possibility that the facilities could soon be overwhelmed, the agency co-ordinating the rescue said. (Michael Fiala/Reuters )

This year, thousands of young sea lions have been found stranded on California beaches, cold, hungry and skinny.

"These animals come up on the beach for a reason, because they're hypothermic mostly," Wallerstein says. "They don't have the body fat to keep them warm when they're in the water, so they come up and rest and warm up on the beach."

Wallerstein glides the truck through the sand towards a lifeguard on the beach who's waving his arms.

"Save little André, man!" he yells and points at a pup stranded on the rocks.

"He tried to get out," a passerby tells me. "And then the waves were taking him in and out, then he crawled back out."

Wallerstein is carrying what looks like a giant butterfly net. He walks over to the sea lion and throws it over the metre-long pup. It protests but doesn't have the energy to fight. The onlookers applaud.

Rescue centres full

Wallerstein then drags the animal to his truck and loads it into a plastic cage big enough to hold a Labrador retriever. He'll take it to a rescue centre in nearby San Pedro. But the facility only lets him bring three sea lions a day.

"It's a difficult situation here," he says. "Yesterday, we were told we can't bring in any in to the rehab centre which means we could rescue no animals."
 
http://www.iflscience.com/environme...-what-can-it-tell-us-about-our-future-climate

What Is The ‘Warm Blob’ In The Pacific And What Can It Tell Us About Our Future Climate?

May 17, 2015 | by Nicholas A Bond

Photo credit: California has been inundated with stranded, hungry sea lion pups, a result of warm waters causing fish to move. Michael Fiala/Reuters

People living across the US have lived through some odd weather in the past year. It’s been unusually warm and dry in the western US, while the East had a very cold and snowy winter. Meanwhile, scientists have been seeing Pacific marine species in places they’re not normally found and a huge spike in hungry, stranded sea lion pups on California shores.

All these phenomena are linked to a giant patch of remarkably warm water off the West Coast in the northeast Pacific Ocean called “the blob,” a term I coined when we first started to notice it during the fall of 2013 and winter of 2014.

This piece summarizes the mechanisms responsible for the blob, enumerates some of its direct and indirect impacts, and discusses the opportunity provided by this climate event.

Better understanding the blob is important not only to predicting weather and its impact on ecosystems but also because it can provide insight into the effects we could see from warmer ocean waters in the future.

Blob 101

The development of the blob of unusually warm water can be attributed largely to an unusual weather pattern that set up shop over a large region extending from the North Pacific Ocean across North America from October 2013 into February 2014.

This pattern featured a strong and long-lasting weather pattern with higher-than-normal pressure – called a ridge – over the ocean centered offshore of the Pacific Northwest. This ridge of high pressure reduced the number and intensity of storms making landfall, leading to reduced precipitation west of the Continental Divide compared to seasonal norms.

The ridge also had profound effects on the weather farther east. Specifically, it often acted to divert cold, Canadian air into the middle and eastern sections of the US, with the Great Lakes region being hit especially hard.


The persistent ridge of high pressure has affected weather patterns. NOAA

The unusually dry conditions in the western US and the frigid weather farther east definitely got the attention of the climate community. But what happened in the ocean off the Pacific Northwest was extreme in its own right.

The sea surface temperature anomalies – or differences from average temperatures – became greater than 2 Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) by late winter. That may not seem very impressive, but for the region it’s actually without precedent in the historical record.

Moreover, the quasi-circular nature of the patch of warm water anomalies (and the reason for its name) had also not been seen before. This motivated investigation of the source(s) of all the extra heat.

In a study published earlier this month http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/2015GL063306 , my colleagues and I fingered the stubborn high-pressure ridge mentioned above, and in particular the weak winds associated with it. The result was a lower-than-normal rate in how quickly heat is transferred from the ocean to the atmosphere, and slower movement of cooler water into the formation region of the blob.

In other words, the unusual atmospheric conditions produced less cooling than typical for the season from fall 2013 through much of the following winter, yielding the sea surface temperature anomaly pattern. So we can essentially blame the ridge for the blob, but what caused the ridge in the first place?

Finding The Origin

Two independent lines of inquiry, including a study last year http://cpo.noaa.gov/MAPP/californiadroughtreport led by Richard Seager and one from March http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/2015GL063083 led by Dennis Hartmann, indicate that the unusual atmospheric circulation over the North Pacific and North America could be attributed at least in part to happenings in the far western tropical Pacific.

A large expanse of ocean here has been warmer than normal for a few years and has been accompanied by vigorous clusters of thunderstorms. This activity appears to have systematic effects on the large-scale atmospheric circulation, in a manner similar to that associated with the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) phenomenon, a pattern of naturally occurring fluctuations in Pacific Ocean temperatures. But in this case, the roots are farther west, in the vicinity of New Guinea.


NASA

Previous work had suggested that this portion of the tropical Pacific could have systematic effects on higher latitudes, including the ridge of high pressure producing the blob. But the work by Seager et al and Hartmann represents an important advance in our understanding of this linkage.

A vast amount of extra heat is associated with ocean temperature anomalies of the sort shown in the image below. But while these anomalies tend to be persistent, they are not static.


Sea surface temperature anomalies, or differences from averages, in Celsius for February-March 2014. NOAA, Author provided

The ocean circulation – that is, the currents – and the weather during the past year, which was unusual in its own right, combined to cause the blob to evolve into a wide strip of relatively warm water along the entire West Coast of North America (see image, below).


The blob, as seen in surface sea temperature anomalies, for February-March 2015. NOAA, Author provided

This happens to be a pattern that has occurred before in association with decades-long shifts in ocean temperature known as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). Previous expressions of the PDO have had major and wide-ranging impacts on the marine ecosystem including salmon and other species of fish; recent developments are receiving a great deal of attention from fishery-oceanographers along the West Coast.

Learning Opportunity

An extreme event such as the blob represents a special opportunity to determine how the ocean’s biochemical properties respond to changes in the physical environment.

Following up on that idea, the lessons learned from the present case have implications from a climate change perspective.

It bears emphasizing that the development and evolution of the blob is an example of a naturally occurring, short-term perturbation in the atmosphere and ocean climate of the North Pacific.

Nevertheless, the oceans are warming, and conditions akin to those of the last couple of years are liable to become more common in future decades, albeit for different reasons.

We hope to use what nature has provided us recently with the blob. By studying its effects, such as changes to marine ecosystems or coastal forests, we can learn how sensitive, or resilient, these natural systems are to a warming world.

The Conversation

Nicholas A Bond is Research Meteorologist at University of Washington.
 

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Anyone else out there seeing lots of westerly? starting early and finishing late? Stronger than normal? The blob to blame??
 
If you look at this one from Oregon you will note it is much more than DFO has ever put out.
Mabey DFO should ask them about the blob as they do not seem to know?
Read it first before saying DFO provides this information.
Dfo is not close to providing this information.
DFO should have had their report out months ago.
The SFAB main board should have asked them what is going on.
The answer would be we have no one to do it, sad.

what I think is DFO is NOT DOING THE JOB.
I see that Oregon has done theirs and done a better job than I have seen from DFO.
i think DFO needs more people to do the job or a better person to set prioritys.
So, did you read the report from Oregon?

OBD, you are incorrect that DFO has no involvement with this or has not provided anything on this abnormal warm water blob off our coast. Maybe before you go on a rant blaming DFO for “not doing the job” - try asking first.

http://frafs.ca/sites/default/files/Forecast 2015 FRAFS Presentation FINAL (Mar 10 2015) pdf.pdf
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/353469.pdf

DFO reports annually on physical, chemical and biological conditions in the Pacific Ocean.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/oceans/reports-rapports/state-ocean-etat/index-eng.html
 
The blob was written about in November 2014 in the U.S.
It is not covered in the preliminary salmon report.
Where is the final salmon report?
Again, Dfo needs more people and certainly more on the ground and less on computers.





OBD, you are incorrect that DFO has no involvement with this or has not provided anything on this abnormal warm water blob off our coast. Maybe before you go on a rant blaming DFO for “not doing the job” - try asking first.

http://frafs.ca/sites/default/files/Forecast 2015 FRAFS Presentation FINAL (Mar 10 2015) pdf.pdf
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/353469.pdf

DFO reports annually on physical, chemical and biological conditions in the Pacific Ocean.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/oceans/reports-rapports/state-ocean-etat/index-eng.html
 
[h=1]Published August 28, 2014.

Warm waters send millions of salmon to Canada, not Wash.[/h]BELLINGHAM — Unusually warm water off the Washington coast is sending the vast majority of the sockeye-salmon run to Canadian waters, leaving Puget Sound fishermen with nearly empty nets.
According to data from the Pacific Salmon Commission, nearly 2.9 million sockeye have been caught in Canadian waters, while only about 98,000 have been netted in Washington through Aug. 19.
That means 99 percent of sockeye have gone through the Johnstone Strait around the northern part of Vancouver Island into Canadian waters.
During a typical sockeye-salmon run, about 50 percent of the run goes around the south end of Vancouver Island through the Strait of Juan de Fuca, putting them in U.S. waters, The Bellingham Herald reported.
This year’s diversion rate is unusual. If it stays around this level, it would be the highest diversion rate on record, dating from 1953, said Mike Lapointe, chief biologist for the Pacific Salmon Commission.
The sockeye run is expected to continue for several more weeks, so U.S. fishermen like Pete Granger hope to salvage what they can. Granger is a reefnet fisherman who is operating his boat near Lummi Island. He has been catching fish for the Lummi Island Wild Co-op for the past eight years.
“It could be one of the worst seasons we’ve had in a long time,” Granger said. The fishing numbers in U.S. waters started to improve at the end of last week, with several weeks left in the season.
Several factors could be behind why sockeye decided to head for the Johnstone Strait this summer, but researchers are looking closely at an area of ocean water off the coast that is about 3 degrees Celsius warmer than normal. Nick Bond, a research scientist for the University of Washington, refers to this area as a “warm blob” that developed last winter as the Pacific Northwest went through a period of unusually quiet weather. Last winter, the area had stretches of cool, windless and foggy days.
The calm weather meant the ocean didn’t do its usual churning of deeper, colder water up to the surface. With this pattern continuing into summer, the warm area has persisted. Sockeye prefer cooler water, which may be why most of the run went north around Vancouver Island.
Bond believes the development of the warm blob is not a direct result of global warming but more of a fluke. Looking back at past data, there has been the occasional season when a cold area has developed off the coast, sending the sockeye south of Vancouver Island into U.S. waters.
This season’s event is giving scientists a chance to learn what impact a warmer ocean would have on this area’s ecosystem, giving them more information to make better predictions.
Given the current weather models, Bond said, the warm blob could be around for a while, possibly well into 2015. There’s also the potential of El Niño developing later this year, bringing warm water to the area. If that’s the case, it could be disruptive for next year’s pink-salmon run as well.
 
The blob was written about in November 2014 in the U.S.
It is not covered in the preliminary salmon report.
Where is the final salmon report?
Again, Dfo needs more people and certainly more on the ground and less on computers.

Well that's rich.....
Coming from someone that has 97% of his posts copy / pasting anti-science.
I like the "less on computers" part.... you think shaking chicken bones, throwing them on the table and reading them to predict the future would work better?

If you want change then you will have an opportunity this fall to kick the current government out. The current war on science is a direct and confirmed result of our current leaders quest at oil at any cost. It just so happens that the cost is to us local anglers and the salmon we chase. Are you starting to connect the dots yet?

Mind you looking at your history of sig lines and your current one would have us believe that your not there yet.
OldBlackDog said:
It’s a well-kept secret, but 97 per cent of the climate models we are told prove the link between human CO2 emissions and catastrophic global warming have been found, after nearly two decades of temperature stasis, to be in error.”


Global Warming” is matter of religious belief and has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with Science.
 
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OBD, you are incorrect that DFO has no involvement with this or has not provided anything on this abnormal warm water blob off our coast. Maybe before you go on a rant blaming DFO for “not doing the job” - try asking first.

http://frafs.ca/sites/default/files/Forecast 2015 FRAFS Presentation FINAL (Mar 10 2015) pdf.pdf
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/353469.pdf

DFO reports annually on physical, chemical and biological conditions in the Pacific Ocean.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/oceans/reports-rapports/state-ocean-etat/index-eng.html


Thank you for these links.
Very interesting information in there.
 
You you are so funny.
Once again you are wrong as science has shown.


So tell us what party is going to solve your concerns?
What party has said they will resolve this? What party voted against this?

So you think that DFO having people on the ground is wrong?



Well that's rich.....
Coming from someone that has 97% of his posts copy / pasting anti-science.
I like the "less on computers" part.... you think shaking chicken bones, throwing them on the table and reading them to predict the future would work better?

If you want change then you will have an opportunity this fall to kick the current government out. The current war on science is a direct and confirmed result of our current leaders quest at oil at any cost. It just so happens that the cost is to us local anglers and the salmon we chase. Are you starting to connect the dots yet?

Mind you looking at your history of sig lines and your current one would have us believe that your not there yet.
 
I think the blob was the cause of the demise of the Canucks this season...
 
I think the blob was the cause of the demise of the Canucks this season...
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X2 ... best post yet!
Seriously, this warm water off the Pacific coast is most likely not good for returning salmon these next 2-3 years. If you are dependant on adult salmon for whatever reason, it might be wise to investigate this issue, and perhaps prepare for cut backs and closures.
 
The blob was written about in November 2014 in the U.S.
It is not covered in the preliminary salmon report.
Where is the final salmon report?
Again, Dfo needs more people and certainly more on the ground and less on computers.

OBD, I am not sure what you are trying to prove here, but I will reiterate again that ocean conditions are researched by individuals in DFO and those reports are made available to the public following CSAS (Canadian Science Advisory Secretariat) approval. Researchers in Canada (i.e. Institute of Ocean Sciences – part of DFO) and the US have been following this abnormality intensively since 2013. The report I posted is from 2014; however, this isn’t a competition on which country can get the scoop on this first.

A one day meeting to review available information on ocean conditions in 2013, and how they compare with previous years, was held at the Pacific Biological Station, Nanaimo, B.C., on 19 February 2014. Perry, R.I. (Ed.). 2014. State of the physical, biological and selected fishery resources of Pacific Canadian marine ecosystems in 2013. Can. Tech. Rep. Fish. Aquat. Sci. 3102: vi + 136 p.

The State of the Ocean reports are publications of the Fisheries and Oceanography Working Group (DFO, other governmental agencies, universities and US researchers) which meets annually to discuss these issues of mutual interest. Google “Dr. Jim Irvine” and you will find more related documents. The members in this Group are in contact with the Integrated Harvest Planning Committee – which provides an annual outlook on the status of salmon. The goal (albeit not without faults) is to link marine conditions to the survival and production of Pacific Salmon.

What do you mean by “Preliminary salmon report” or “Final salmon report”? If you are referring to the Fraser Sockeye and Pink forecasts for 2015 those have already been released to the public back in February of this year (see attached below). Forecasts typically do not get much into detail about ocean conditions (like the report by Ian Perry); however, some forecast models do incorporate environmental conditions, such as sea-surface temperature. The folks that do these forecasts are in the loop with researchers like Mr. Perry and do take these events into consideration. The other “preliminary” documents are the Integrated Fisheries Management Plans (IFMP) which set out how a fishery will be managed for a particular species in given region. IFMPs are not intended to get into a detailed discussion about science like this; however, the IFMP process can include expertise from those individuals like Mr. Perry.

As for these researchers spending time on the computer, I believe you were a key contributor (827 out of 2,778 posts were yours) to the epic LNG in BC thread which likely broke online forum records for the longest dead-locked thread in history. I imagine that took up quite a bit of computer time on your part so throwing stones while living in a glass house is interesting to say the least.

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/csas-sccs/Publications/ScR-RS/2015/2015_014-eng.pdf
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/ifmp-eng.html
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/CSAS/Csas/publications/resdocs-docrech/2010/2010_053_e.pdf (from 2010)
 
Thanks for the reply.
The report on the blob by the Washington and Oregon fishery had this in it. It was also out by December 2014.
i do not remember seeing a report on the blob sent out to the SFAB? Could be wrong.

The fishing report on the status of stocks was out and available in December.
their projections were done etc.
This is on the web and available to all.


The IFMP is again late as it has been for years.
This is due to a lack of people.
DFO has been cutting staff for years.
That is sad.

Yes they need a lot more people on the ground as they have lost many.
Computers and their operators are only as good as the information they are given.
If no one is doing a physical check on the stocks then the information used is bogus.


This is about the complete lack of caring given to DFO by Ottawa.
Have a look at the amount of people who are employed in Ottawa for fisheries and oceans and compare to the staff on the west coast.
Ottawa is not concerned as the pressure is not there to do anything, unlike the east coast.

DFO is able to push things back and not compile reports due to a lack of staff. Look at the cuts in hatcheries and the MILLIONS of fish no longer being produced.

When was the last time you were checked by DFO on the water?
How is the coast guard cuts going?

Yes DFO management is in need of a shakeup, however that has to come from Ottawa or via politicians.

Every year they cut more and more. Really sad, but no one is complaining!


OBD, I am not sure what you are trying to prove here, but I will reiterate again that ocean conditions are researched by individuals in DFO and those reports are made available to the public following CSAS (Canadian Science Advisory Secretariat) approval. Researchers in Canada (i.e. Institute of Ocean Sciences – part of DFO) and the US have been following this abnormality intensively since 2013. The report I posted is from 2014; however, this isn’t a competition on which country can get the scoop on this first.

A one day meeting to review available information on ocean conditions in 2013, and how they compare with previous years, was held at the Pacific Biological Station, Nanaimo, B.C., on 19 February 2014. Perry, R.I. (Ed.). 2014. State of the physical, biological and selected fishery resources of Pacific Canadian marine ecosystems in 2013. Can. Tech. Rep. Fish. Aquat. Sci. 3102: vi + 136 p.

The State of the Ocean reports are publications of the Fisheries and Oceanography Working Group (DFO, other governmental agencies, universities and US researchers) which meets annually to discuss these issues of mutual interest. Google “Dr. Jim Irvine” and you will find more related documents. The members in this Group are in contact with the Integrated Harvest Planning Committee – which provides an annual outlook on the status of salmon. The goal (albeit not without faults) is to link marine conditions to the survival and production of Pacific Salmon.

What do you mean by “Preliminary salmon report” or “Final salmon report”? If you are referring to the Fraser Sockeye and Pink forecasts for 2015 those have already been released to the public back in February of this year (see attached below). Forecasts typically do not get much into detail about ocean conditions (like the report by Ian Perry); however, some forecast models do incorporate environmental conditions, such as sea-surface temperature. The folks that do these forecasts are in the loop with researchers like Mr. Perry and do take these events into consideration. The other “preliminary” documents are the Integrated Fisheries Management Plans (IFMP) which set out how a fishery will be managed for a particular species in given region. IFMPs are not intended to get into a detailed discussion about science like this; however, the IFMP process can include expertise from those individuals like Mr. Perry.

As for these researchers spending time on the computer, I believe you were a key contributor (827 out of 2,778 posts were yours) to the epic LNG in BC thread which likely broke online forum records for the longest dead-locked thread in history. I imagine that took up quite a bit of computer time on your part so throwing stones while living in a glass house is interesting to say the least.

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/csas-sccs/Publications/ScR-RS/2015/2015_014-eng.pdf
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/ifmp-eng.html
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/CSAS/Csas/publications/resdocs-docrech/2010/2010_053_e.pdf (from 2010)
 
OBD that's rich coming from this websites leading anti-science poster.
Now that it effect you, your up in arms, and you think something should be done.
The war on science has been well documented and DFO budget cuts in science have been devastating.
Here is another list that you can research that points it out.
http://scienceblogs.com/confessions...gerated-devastating-chronological-indictment/

Bottom line is that if science doesn't benefit Oil & Gas then it's gone.
If it points to problems with O&G then it's muzzled and a pink slip is in the mail.

See what happens when you go down that road....
 
First ,I have been fighting this for over 25 years, so your comment is way out of line .
This is not new, and Ottawa as stated does not care because unlike the east coast there is no political worries in relation to fish.
No politician has ever lost over fisheries policy on the west coast.
Dfo has been cutting staff and programs for years.
The sports fishing groups have complained and here we are in this position.
So unless the public gets upset about it and they are not at this time then nothing will change.

To really change this will require real money, that means hundreds of thousands.
You need a group that can provide a full time lobbiest in Ottawa. Plus a management staff, money for advertisement to get a membership that would have to be over 150,000.
Then you would have some clout.

This has been looked at by some people and no one is going to do it.
Even the BCWF is not that big.

Further, when DFO changed the fisheries act there was no need for all the scientists.
The people of Canada did not stop the changes to the act.



As for your snide shot about me being anti science , once again you prove yourself to be wrong again.




OBD that's rich coming from this websites leading anti-science poster.
Now that it effect you, your up in arms, and you think something should be done.
The war on science has been well documented and DFO budget cuts in science have been devastating.
Here is another list that you can research that points it out.
http://scienceblogs.com/confessions...gerated-devastating-chronological-indictment/

Bottom line is that if science doesn't benefit Oil & Gas then it's gone.
If it points to problems with O&G then it's muzzled and a pink slip is in the mail.

See what happens when you go down that road....
 
First ,I have been fighting this for over 25 years, so your comment is way out of line .
This is not new, and Ottawa as stated does not care because unlike the east coast there is no political worries in relation to fish.
No politician has ever lost over fisheries policy on the west coast.
Dfo has been cutting staff and programs for years.
The sports fishing groups have complained and here we are in this position.
So unless the public gets upset about it and they are not at this time then nothing will change.

To really change this will require real money, that means hundreds of thousands.
You need a group that can provide a full time lobbiest in Ottawa. Plus a management staff, money for advertisement to get a membership that would have to be over 150,000.
Then you would have some clout.

This has been looked at by some people and no one is going to do it.
Even the BCWF is not that big.

Further, when DFO changed the fisheries act there was no need for all the scientists.
The people of Canada did not stop the changes to the act.



As for your snide shot about me being anti science , once again you prove yourself to be wrong again.


Yes I know that you have fought for the rights of local anglers and I thank you for that. You passed me that torch and I have continued that fight. However you need to connect the dots. This is much bigger then the right to fish as there will be no fish if we continue down this path. Climate change will destroy the environment that salmon need to live. What good would a fishing licence be if there is nothing to fish for? You may as well call it a boat ride.

OldBlackDog said:
Further, when DFO changed the fisheries act there was no need for all the scientists.
The people of Canada did not stop the changes to the act.

Why did Harper change the fisheries act?
The O&G industry asked him to and he put companies ahead of the public.
Northern Gateway, Kinder Morgan, Keystone, Energy East, Tarsands expansion and LNG.
It's all about a high carbon economy and you have been a foot soldier to this end.

OldBlackDog said:
As for your snide shot about me being anti science , once again you prove yourself to be wrong again.
You have posted hundreds of posts from climate denial blogs and argued for the continued destruction of our climate. If that's not anti-science then what is?
Harper and his short pants would be happy with your work.
Sad really.....


[R6RaAYA9OMA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6RaAYA9OMA
 
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This his is about the Blob.
Again, the Blob is not caused by global warming, read the articles and yes they are peer reviewed.
You cannot seem to understand that all things are not caused by Global Warming.
Yes Harper party changed the fishers act. Yes it was probably due to money as it always is.
Yes this was fought and lost.

Again the same question, what,party is going to fix this?


Once again because you do not get it.
There has been NO global warming for over 18 years
The computer programs saying there would be are way wrong.




Yes I know that you have fought for the rights of local anglers and I thank you for that. You passed me that torch and I have continued that fight. However you need to connect the dots. This is much bigger then the right to fish as there will be no fish if we continue down this path. Climate change will destroy the environment that salmon need to live. What good would a fishing licence be if there is nothing to fish for? You may as well call it a boat ride.



Why did Harper change the fisheries act?
The O&G industry asked him to and he put companies ahead of the public.
Northern Gateway, Kinder Morgan, Keystone, Energy East, Tarsands expansion and LNG.
It's all about a high carbon economy and you have been a foot soldier to this end.


You have posted hundreds of posts from climate denial blogs and argued for the continued destruction of our climate. If that's not anti-science then what is?
Harper and his short pants would be happy with your work.
Sad really.....


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This his is about the Blob.
Again, the Blob is not caused by global warming, read the articles and yes they are peer reviewed.
You cannot seem to understand that all things are not caused by Global Warming.
Yes Harper party changed the fishers act. Yes it was probably due to money as it always is.
Yes this was fought and lost.

Again the same question, what,party is going to fix this?


Once again because you do not get it.
There has been NO global warming for over 18 years
The computer programs saying there would be are way wrong.

What party will fix it you ask... why the ABC party that's who.

So your still on that AGW hoax theory then explain this....

http://www.statoil.com/en/NewsAndMedia/News/2015/Downloads/Paying for Carbon letter.pdf

CEOs from global oil and gas behemoths Shell, BP, Total, Statoil, Eni and the BG Group have signaled that they’re ready for a price on carbon.

Climate change is a critical challenge for our world. As major companies from the oil & gas sector, werecognize both the importance of the climate challenge and the importance of energy to human life andwell-being. We acknowledge that the current trend of greenhouse gas emissions is in excess of what theIntergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) says is needed to limit the temperature rise to nomore than 2 degrees above pre-industrial levels. The challenge is how to meet greater energy demandwith less CO2. We stand ready to play our part.

Think those CEOs of oil companies that represent nearly $1.4 trillion in annual revenue are in on the hoax too?
or should we invest in Alcan to protect our wallets and our heads?
 
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