Walleyes, let’s take apart and demolish your arguments one by one:-
“Boys in a perfect world in a perfect situation we would not need these lines, or wells or mines we wouldn't need these fish farms we wouldn't need these gas gusling boats we own we wouldn't need the hydro damns we wouldn't need any of it,, but I hate to be the one to break the news,, we don't live in a perfect world. All of us are dependant on fossil fuels and whether you choose to beleive it or not we will be for a very very long time. “
Thousands of people of BC are dismayed, concerned and in opposition to THIS particular proposed pipeline project, here and now. The issue of humanity’s addiction to fossil fuel and how and when we might get off it is a subject for a much wider discussion. Let’s stick to the subject in hand shall we?
“Now I may have been a bit harsh in my statement you will have to forgive me but when uninformed people start bashing an industry that I know and that I understand it gets me wound up.”
To use the term uninformed against the hundreds of environmental scientists, lawyers and lay people such as myself and others on this forum is arrogant and presumptive. Just typical of an Enbridge apologist. (No doubt you believe all the scientists of the IPCC are all “uninformed”. After all they are only climatologists and experts in their field, so what do they know?)
“Holmes you brought up a subject that I think about often and we can use it in this situation, Fish Farming.. All I know about fish farming is what I see on TV and read in the media,, and its not good. Yet every time I am out on the coast I see people working in this industry and meet people supporting it. For me to pass judgment on it just from what the media has to say sorry I can't,, not knowing what I know about how the media can spin things when it comes to the oil industry. They do not use facts they use fear mongering and only the worst of the worst to push there agenda.”
You are mixing things up. Do not confuse the media with all of the well informed, considered and science and economic based opposition based on the data. Read a few of the web site I posted! And if you want to call ensuring the enforcement of existing environmental laws by groups such as Ecojustice an “agenda” then that shows you in fact use the emotive language of the media, not of rational science logic, and debate.
“I can not give a proper objective or view nor will I on something I do not fully understand. Now,, for people from outside the oil industry trying to give me lessons on what happens and what we do to the environment and all the damage we do and how care free we are sorry it just doesn't work,, you do not know nor do you understand all that is involved in this industry. “
OMG. So only you people in the oil industry are qualified to pass judgement on the benefits and risks of this project? We accept only what the oil industry tells us because you are the high priest and keepers of all truth? How unbelievably arrogant!! Thankfully this is a democracy and the people of BC , including the First Nations have the right, nay the duty, to speak out and oppose a project that will affect and probably ruin, their ecosystems, their resources, their lifestyle, their history and their culture.
“Yes there have been mistakes made in the past big ones,, will there be mistakes made in the future ?? unfortunately yes. Look there is a certain amount of inherent risk in anything we a humans do on this earth and thats a fact. All we can do is try our best through our mistakes and through design we can try and minumilise those mistakes when they happen.”
OMG. There it goes again, that arrogance. We can just minimise the risk and fix it up if anything goes wrong. Yeah just like Exxon did with the Valdiz! And just like BP did with the Gulf blow out! We are not talking about some trivial little error. When a big rupture goes like the Kalmazoo river you guys are going to get into the wildness and clean up entire watersheds, just like that? When a super tanker breaks up on some BC reef you are going to mop it up with a broom and some sponges! Gimme a break!
“The oil industry pumps billions and billions of dollars into the Canadian economy it is the single largest contributor to this countries coffers and in turn thats good for all of us. It makes life that much easier for us all. I am not saying these companies should be given a free for all not for a minute but this attitude that,, I want it just not in my back yard has to stop.”
There you go again widening the topic into irrelevant areas like the whole oil industry. We are talking about this SPECIFIC Northern Gateway project, as proposed and as planned now. It is THIS project that makes no economic and environmental sense for the people of BC. And on the contrary, those whose lives are affected, or whose livelihoods can be destroyed by the project are the very people that should speak up because it IS in our back yard.
“ If we expect to benefit from any of it then we all have to share in the cost,,, thats life. People on the west coast enjoy one of the best lifestyles in the country with infrastructure and benefits not known in many parts of the country.. How do you all expect those benefits to be paid for,, it can't be just given to you,, you have to be part of the wage earner,, part of the rest of the country, part of the risk that the rest of us have to live with..”
Alberta does not share in the risk. Enbridge is washing it’s hands of all responsibility once the bitumen leaves Kitmat. The people of BC would have to pick up the cost and the environment and its people would suffer the consequences of a major tanker accident for decades. Alberta and Enbridge shareholders stuff their jeans with money and BC bears all the risk. This is a senseless project and many, many well-informed and educated groups, organisations (including the First Nations), and individuals will fight and are fighting, this project. And we will win!
