PRV confirmed in bloodwater

Discussion in 'Conservation, Fishery Politics and Management.' started by rockdog, Feb 7, 2018.

  1. rockdog

    rockdog Well-Known Member

    Brutal, so sad what's been happening for years to our Salmon. Sure, there are many different factors that affect our Salmon, but the evidence is really starting to point strongly to Fish Farms that they are a huge part of the problem. Hopefully we can turn this around.
    Shame on you +FF crew for spitting in the face of science for years.

    https://watershed-watch.us8.list-ma...bb6d3878bb8319ba11&id=0921750761&e=6862427d78
     
  2. Gear'n'beer!

    Gear'n'beer! Well-Known Member

    One word:
    Completely fricking gross
     
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  3. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Well-Known Member

    In 1997 DFO fined Lafarge Over a million For discharging silty water into the Fraser river. DFO put some fish in the a concentration of the silty water and the fished died in 30 seconds.

    No ones called for concrete or aggregate extraction to be banned just for the industry to be cleaned up. If that means moving them to land then so be it.

    I expect DFO and MOE to fine this company far more then a million dollars.
     
  4. seascene

    seascene Active Member

    .... the smoking gun. Pure criminal deceipt .... could someone legally make a citizens arrest based on this video and lab results?
     
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  5. gungadin

    gungadin Well-Known Member

    There was no collusion. There is no conspiracy. FAKE NEWS!! FAKE NEWS!!o_Oo_O
     
  6. trophywife

    trophywife Well-Known Member

    ya, how do "we the people" arrest and charge our own govt agency?
     
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  7. cuttlefish

    cuttlefish Well-Known Member

  8. GLG

    GLG Well-Known Member

    Interesting website, thanks for posting this. There are more documents that are worth a read so here is a link to see them.
    https://crecweb.com/fisheries-and-oceans/

    I read through this one and it seems that unless the fish are "deceased" with a known specific virus then it's seem to be fine to have PRv in the bloodwater. Clearly regulation has not keep up with science.
    https://crecwebcom.files.wordpress....-packing-company-ltd-technical-assessment.pdf
     
  9. cuttlefish

    cuttlefish Well-Known Member

    Yes, that Technical Assessment, Subsection 4.3 and the sentence above it on page 18 say it all...
     
  10. Dave

    Dave Well-Known Member

    I would like to see some analysis of wild salmon processing plant effluent.
     
  11. cuttlefish

    cuttlefish Well-Known Member

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  12. fogged in

    fogged in Well-Known Member

    I trust you agree Wild Salmon AND Fish Farm Atlantics effluent with PRV needs to be stopped from being dumped into the ocean, especially in the migratory routes of wild salmon.
    Yes, No ?
    Let's keep in mind according to DFO, "In Canada, PRV was first detected in 2011 on the west coast"
    Again, I trust you would agree PRV has been a long term problem for Fish Farmed salmon in every country they have existed in!
     
  13. cuttlefish

    cuttlefish Well-Known Member

    So, based on the above report, and for reference's sake it looks to me that on an average day of processing at Browns Bay hundreds of billions if not trillions of PRV viral copies are being discharged. It will be interesting to see how many are being discharged from an average day of processing wild fish. Might have to wait until plants are processing some wild fish which likely will not be happening this spring.
     
  14. bigdogeh

    bigdogeh Well-Known Member

    I always like reading the comments. Often they are right on the money with how I feel.

    This was one of them...

    "Maybe we need to have a review of the review, perhaps a committee to monitor the council that reviews the report? Or.. hear me out ... we could stop pissing away money and actually do something meaningful before the pacific coast turns into a deceased cesspool."

    Let's hope something meaningful is done and not just more lip-service to support this disgusting, open net pen diseased invasive farmed salmon industry.
     
  15. trophywife

    trophywife Well-Known Member


    would it contain a PRV strain from the atlantic salmon, or a PRV strain from the pacific in which pacific salmon have had since the beginning of time to develop natural defences?
     
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  16. cuttlefish

    cuttlefish Well-Known Member

    Not sure if Dr. Miller Saunders sequenced the PRV in the effluent samples. However, the PRV strain in the Pacific Northwest is a variant of the Norwegian strain.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3711887/

    "PRV should be considered as a member of a new genus within the family Reoviridae with two major Norwegian sub-genotypes. The Canadian PRV diverged from Norwegian sub-genotype Ia around 2007 ± 1, whereas the Chilean PRV diverged from Norwegian sub-genotype Ib around 2008 ± 1."
     
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  17. bigdogeh

    bigdogeh Well-Known Member

    That's the thing with viruses. They replicate and evolve. To have unnatural, large open net pen fish farms filled with millions of virus laden hosts along the wild salmon migration routes is sheer madness. But if there's a dollar to be made, or transferred from the taxpayers pocket to government and a foreign industry I guess it becomes alright in our captured governments eyes. Even our neighbors down south have come to realize this. And here I thought we were the more progressive country.
    Sad knowing that the strain our wild salmon now have is a variant of the norweigan virus.
     
  18. agentaqua

    agentaqua Well-Known Member

    I believe that is why Marty put so much effort into attempting to claim the virus was here many years ago - it is harder to explain why Canadian Pacific PRv is closely related to the Norwegian strain which leads you to the assumption that the Norwegian net-cage industry is to blame. Hard to explain the DNA evidence if you want to claim that the open net-pen industry has not impacted wild Pacific salmon stocks....
     
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  19. rockdog

    rockdog Well-Known Member

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  20. rockdog

    rockdog Well-Known Member

    Reading that actually really pissed me off.
     

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