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bigdogeh

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whether you're pro pipeline or against, I'm hoping you will take the time to watch this video. things seem to be heating up a bit in regards to pipelines here in BC. not sure if it has been posted here in the past (I couldn't find it) but this is a pretty good video worth watching imo.

 
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I surely don't want to see our coastal waters take on any damage but the risk is there. I also want to see people go to work and communities grow and prosper.

Many pros and cons on both sides. A very sticky battle. (Pardon the pun)
 
last line of the article.

"In December 2015, Congress lifted a 40-year ban on exporting domestic crude oil to other countries. That created a concern for some that local refineries could shift to shipping unrefined materials abroad, eliminating local refinery jobs."


probably trying to beat the tarsands oil from getting there. (china) ? Or do they have an oversupply now? sad to see good jobs go when the product has been refined there for as long as it has. crude (any) oil and water don't mix well. seems big money is getting it's way or trying to get its way again. keeping the crude domestic and on land is the way to go imo. similar with what they do with logs now. ship out raw logs rather than a refined product. ship the jobs away as well... brilliant.
 
It would be awesome to do our own refining and saw our own logs but no one wants to buy finished goods. All our potential customers have their own excess capacity, since Canada isn't the only supplier of these products on the world stage it's not hard to figure out the outcome. If we don't sell it, someone else will. Ideal no, reality yes. That's why it's so important for the Canadian economy to focus on it's strengths which is abundant natural resources. It's a global economy now, unlike just a few short decades ago.
 
last line of the article.

"In December 2015, Congress lifted a 40-year ban on exporting domestic crude oil to other countries. That created a concern for some that local refineries could shift to shipping unrefined materials abroad, eliminating local refinery jobs."


probably trying to beat the tarsands oil from getting there. (china) ? Or do they have an oversupply now? sad to see good jobs go when the product has been refined there for as long as it has. crude (any) oil and water don't mix well. seems big money is getting it's way or trying to get its way again. keeping the crude domestic and on land is the way to go imo. similar with what they do with logs now. ship out raw logs rather than a refined product. ship the jobs away as well... brilliant.
Exactly politicians giving in to the corporate donors instead of looking after their constituants. At least the Bellingham council is doing the right thing.
 
It would be awesome to do our own refining and saw our own logs but no one wants to buy finished goods. All our potential customers have their own excess capacity, since Canada isn't the only supplier of these products on the world stage it's not hard to figure out the outcome. If we don't sell it, someone else will. Ideal no, reality yes. That's why it's so important for the Canadian economy to focus on it's strengths which is abundant natural resources. It's a global economy now, unlike just a few short decades ago.
Why can't we buy Canadian furniture built with Canadian wood? Our politicians need to nurture built in B.C. for Canadians instead of shipping raw wood and buying back the Chinese made furniture. How many of our young kids get themselves into trouble because they have no prospects of a decent paying job and end up costing our society a lot more in the long run. This Global economy only works for the one percenters. Free trade only works when its fair trade not by using slave labour in other countries. If all we do is ship raw material we have a very small workforce until we have nothing left then those jobs are gone too. At that point industry will just move on to their next adventure.Reality is what we make it to be.
 
It would be awesome to do our own refining and saw our own logs but no one wants to buy finished goods. All our potential customers have their own excess capacity, since Canada isn't the only supplier of these products on the world stage it's not hard to figure out the outcome. If we don't sell it, someone else will. Ideal no, reality yes. That's why it's so important for the Canadian economy to focus on it's strengths which is abundant natural resources. It's a global economy now, unlike just a few short decades ago.

if this is so true why is it that only BC exports 97% of all raw logs in Canada? that doesn't add up. the other provinces don't need to do it. this is a phenomenon that has taken place here in BC in the last 20 years... have a look at how many truckloads of timber it takes ontario to create a job and how many truckloads in BC it takes... Ontario has a fairly healthy forest industry.

"Almost 97 per cent of all Canadian raw log exports come from B.C. -- the amount shipped by any other province is negligible. Because we export so many more raw logs than other provinces, we're getting a fraction of the return and a fraction of the jobs that they do.

To create one full-time job for a year, Ontario needs to harvest 292 cubic metres of wood -- between seven and eight logging trucks full. On average, each of those cubic metres provides $839 to the provincial economy. In B.C., one full-time year-round job requires 1,312 cubic metres (almost 33 logging trucks). Each of those cubic metres, on average, brings in only $233."

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Interprovincial Forestry Comparision, 2012 Data. Source: Statistics Canada.


this argument has alot of opinions but the excuse of if we don't do it someone else will doesn't seem like a good excuse to shut mills down.

there are lots of articles to this and alot of arguments from both sides. In the end it should be about jobs though... not profits for corporations and private timberlands...

https://forestaction.wordpress.com/...nt-raw-log-exports-cost-forest-industry-jobs/
 
In the end it should be about jobs though... not profits for corporations and private timberlands...

You should run with that, don't worry about profit, crank out some nice furniture.
 
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