Cuba Libre
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Sat through a 3 hr meeting this afternoon to discuss opinions and options to "resolve the halibut allocation.
There were 5 commercial fishermen, 2 First nations, 5 recreational fishermen and one guy that said he was a rec fishermen but did everything he could to slag recreational fishing out of Ukee. Turns out he was John Duncan's campaign manager in the last election.
There were also 5 feds, including Kamp, and 2 provincial reps.
As expected, it was a round table. My contribution was to pointedly let Mr Kamp that that not only had the govt broken their promise not to put in closures mid season, but also to point out that they were ignoring the recreational vision paper that was supposed to be a blueprint for the future development of sport fishing. It is called "A Vision for recreational Fisheries in British Columbia 2009-2013" Its on the DFO recreational website if you want to look at it. Minister Shea signed off on the document and then promptly ignored it when the allocation issue came along.
Anyway- each side presented the expected statements. about 5 min each. The commercials believe that have worked for thier 88% -- we dont think there is a real ownership of a common property resource.
Mr Kamp explained that he had visited Or, Wa and Ak. to see how they are managing-- his comment that Alaska seemed to be working well, got me responding that while the managers may like it.. the guides are suing !
The same arguments were brought up by the commercial guys --- guides and lodges are no different from them and should buy quota. That got the usual response from us that they just facilitate. -- the clients do the catching, Then the so- called other rec guy started calling down OMG and guides in Ukee in general. Canadian Princess caught 3000 halibut.. He said he is a retired Ukee guide, now a rec fishermen. . When I got a chance I asked him WHO in OBMG caught the fish-- "Well their clients" Right-- Canadian sportfishers, not the facilitators. He also started slagging the Ukee guides he stated only 2 out of 40 guides in Ukees when he guided there were full time.. So what????? he also pulled some statements from several years ago that none of the guides accounted for their catches to DFO.
Jeremy Maynard blew the monitoring thing apart-- stating that it was good enough for DFO and the IPHC so what was his problem? Anyway the commercial guys grinned at his statements . Jerk----
The commercial guys did a credible job of defending their livelyhoods,, and feel that the Experimental halibut Program should be allowed to run for at least another 2 years to see if it works--- we said it was basically garbage that solves nothing.
Anyway-- I am not dumb enough to think that what we had to say will influence the decision on what happens.
This statement is from Randy Kamp: he will
"Host round table meetings with interested stakeholders in coastal communities to receive input , especially new ideas and perspectives . Because the Prime Ministers statement was made in Vancouver Island North, meetings will be held there in collaboration with Minister John Duncan's office. Due to the short timeline (to have options for the 2012 season) it will be difficult to schedule many meetings elsewhere but written submissions will be welcomed. "
He is planning a meeting, possibly in October with sector representative groups such as SFAB, PHMA, etc.
he is also taking written submissions from interested fishers
Postage free--- Randy Kamp, MP, House of Commons, Ottawa, On, K1A 0A6
or kamprO@parl.gc.ca
I am now going to get a strong drink......
There were 5 commercial fishermen, 2 First nations, 5 recreational fishermen and one guy that said he was a rec fishermen but did everything he could to slag recreational fishing out of Ukee. Turns out he was John Duncan's campaign manager in the last election.
There were also 5 feds, including Kamp, and 2 provincial reps.
As expected, it was a round table. My contribution was to pointedly let Mr Kamp that that not only had the govt broken their promise not to put in closures mid season, but also to point out that they were ignoring the recreational vision paper that was supposed to be a blueprint for the future development of sport fishing. It is called "A Vision for recreational Fisheries in British Columbia 2009-2013" Its on the DFO recreational website if you want to look at it. Minister Shea signed off on the document and then promptly ignored it when the allocation issue came along.
Anyway- each side presented the expected statements. about 5 min each. The commercials believe that have worked for thier 88% -- we dont think there is a real ownership of a common property resource.
Mr Kamp explained that he had visited Or, Wa and Ak. to see how they are managing-- his comment that Alaska seemed to be working well, got me responding that while the managers may like it.. the guides are suing !
The same arguments were brought up by the commercial guys --- guides and lodges are no different from them and should buy quota. That got the usual response from us that they just facilitate. -- the clients do the catching, Then the so- called other rec guy started calling down OMG and guides in Ukee in general. Canadian Princess caught 3000 halibut.. He said he is a retired Ukee guide, now a rec fishermen. . When I got a chance I asked him WHO in OBMG caught the fish-- "Well their clients" Right-- Canadian sportfishers, not the facilitators. He also started slagging the Ukee guides he stated only 2 out of 40 guides in Ukees when he guided there were full time.. So what????? he also pulled some statements from several years ago that none of the guides accounted for their catches to DFO.
Jeremy Maynard blew the monitoring thing apart-- stating that it was good enough for DFO and the IPHC so what was his problem? Anyway the commercial guys grinned at his statements . Jerk----
The commercial guys did a credible job of defending their livelyhoods,, and feel that the Experimental halibut Program should be allowed to run for at least another 2 years to see if it works--- we said it was basically garbage that solves nothing.
Anyway-- I am not dumb enough to think that what we had to say will influence the decision on what happens.
This statement is from Randy Kamp: he will
"Host round table meetings with interested stakeholders in coastal communities to receive input , especially new ideas and perspectives . Because the Prime Ministers statement was made in Vancouver Island North, meetings will be held there in collaboration with Minister John Duncan's office. Due to the short timeline (to have options for the 2012 season) it will be difficult to schedule many meetings elsewhere but written submissions will be welcomed. "
He is planning a meeting, possibly in October with sector representative groups such as SFAB, PHMA, etc.
he is also taking written submissions from interested fishers
Postage free--- Randy Kamp, MP, House of Commons, Ottawa, On, K1A 0A6
or kamprO@parl.gc.ca
I am now going to get a strong drink......
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