Franko Manini
Well-Known Member
These are most likely eugenic fish and probably sterile too. I can't say for sure though depends on the farm. I would be much happier if I knew they couldn't breed.
Fish farm releases thousands of Atlantic salmon east of Victoria
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SpringVelocity
Crew Member
That's brutal. Kill them all.
SpringVelocity
Crew Member
Wow just got hammered.
High tides.... Eclipse ...... Get real. There is NO EXCUSE for this to happen Period!
Officials have dropped the ball on this fish farm BS. Both USA and Canada, only a matter of time until these scum fish show up in our streams and rivers. Offering up a Too Close to avoid poisoning and introduction of virus's to our a Wild Stocks. Hats off to all you making the decisions to allow these non native species into our water ways. No different then goldfish, perch, non native fish into interior lakes, rivers and streams. No different then milfoil weed on the bottom of boats.
Why the double standard ?
To DFO, the politicians approving these seaside net pens, and officials south of us .... Give your dam head a shake and land base these killer invaders to our West Coast.
The Term Organic, or Wild is challenged yet again ...... IMO it's impossible since these Corporate Greed Specialists have shown up on our shorelines. Yuk! Take your business elsewhere please!
Officials have dropped the ball on this fish farm BS. Both USA and Canada, only a matter of time until these scum fish show up in our streams and rivers. Offering up a Too Close to avoid poisoning and introduction of virus's to our a Wild Stocks. Hats off to all you making the decisions to allow these non native species into our water ways. No different then goldfish, perch, non native fish into interior lakes, rivers and streams. No different then milfoil weed on the bottom of boats.
Why the double standard ?
To DFO, the politicians approving these seaside net pens, and officials south of us .... Give your dam head a shake and land base these killer invaders to our West Coast.
The Term Organic, or Wild is challenged yet again ...... IMO it's impossible since these Corporate Greed Specialists have shown up on our shorelines. Yuk! Take your business elsewhere please!
RODNREEL
Active Member
This is the way all open net pens should look when they get pulled back to the beach and cut up for scrap !!!!
salmonkiller01
Well-Known Member
Any reports of them being caught in Victoria? Not sure how far away the farm is
Okay.. a couple things here.
- First of all these fish were not released... they escaped, and yes there is a big difference - this is poor reporting on CBC's Part.
- Also I don't think we should consider Atlantic salmon an invasive species.. an exotic species yes but they have not been shown to be self sustaining on the Coast of BC, even after releasing (actually releasing) tens of thousands of them directly into coastal rivers in the early part of the 20th century to try and establish them for angling and commercial fishing.
- Brown trout on the other hand (which are protected in watersheds like the Cowichan (i.e non retention)) were also released (at about the same time at Atlantic) and should be considered far more 'invasive' than the Atlantic. But for some reason its OK to have this fish eating the native salmon as long as it provides a fun recreational fishery... Ridiculous.
- I have at completed at least 300 snorkel surveys in dozens of watersheds on VI over the last 15 years as a contractor to provincial and federal programs for stock assessment - never seen an adult or juvenile Atlantic. I am not saying there is no risk - but the risk is very low that any of these fish successfully spawn.. and even lower that a population becomes sustaining.
- Currently most farms do not raise triploid salmon (sterile) because of poor growth and survival.
- From my understanding there were were about 300k fish onsite, undoubtedly the 10K estimate is Low - total losses will be determined when they harvest I would imagine.
But in any case it is a nasty situation - and their eclipse story is totally laughable. tides were not even very high - spring and fall King tides are a couple feet higher.
IMPO the fish farm industry need to be overhauled and more heavily monitored.. farmers need to be held accountable for these types of escapes. I do not eat farmed salmon - I'd rather catch my own - however salmon farming is an important part of economy and world protein production, like all farming practices it will undoubtedly have some impact on the environment... if you think your chicken, beef or pork have significantly less impact on their surroundings, or even on wild salmon stocks for that matter... think again.
- First of all these fish were not released... they escaped, and yes there is a big difference - this is poor reporting on CBC's Part.
- Also I don't think we should consider Atlantic salmon an invasive species.. an exotic species yes but they have not been shown to be self sustaining on the Coast of BC, even after releasing (actually releasing) tens of thousands of them directly into coastal rivers in the early part of the 20th century to try and establish them for angling and commercial fishing.
- Brown trout on the other hand (which are protected in watersheds like the Cowichan (i.e non retention)) were also released (at about the same time at Atlantic) and should be considered far more 'invasive' than the Atlantic. But for some reason its OK to have this fish eating the native salmon as long as it provides a fun recreational fishery... Ridiculous.
- I have at completed at least 300 snorkel surveys in dozens of watersheds on VI over the last 15 years as a contractor to provincial and federal programs for stock assessment - never seen an adult or juvenile Atlantic. I am not saying there is no risk - but the risk is very low that any of these fish successfully spawn.. and even lower that a population becomes sustaining.
- Currently most farms do not raise triploid salmon (sterile) because of poor growth and survival.
- From my understanding there were were about 300k fish onsite, undoubtedly the 10K estimate is Low - total losses will be determined when they harvest I would imagine.
But in any case it is a nasty situation - and their eclipse story is totally laughable. tides were not even very high - spring and fall King tides are a couple feet higher.
IMPO the fish farm industry need to be overhauled and more heavily monitored.. farmers need to be held accountable for these types of escapes. I do not eat farmed salmon - I'd rather catch my own - however salmon farming is an important part of economy and world protein production, like all farming practices it will undoubtedly have some impact on the environment... if you think your chicken, beef or pork have significantly less impact on their surroundings, or even on wild salmon stocks for that matter... think again.
Liked your comments, J-ROC. I think they only thing I would add (following your analogy) is that an escaped chicken would likely have negligible impact on wild chickens herds that currently do not prowl around the lower mainland (unlike the marine escape equivalent) - but an escaped chicken with bird flu might interact with say pigeons for scraps in a park and thereby infect pigeons and have them fly off and infect other birds. That's what I consider the analogy that corresponds the most well with this farm escape situation - ESPECIALLY since we know that those fish were infected with at least yellow mouth and also likely PRv - both of which could have serious population-level impacts on wild stocks.
walleyes
Crew Member
I like it J-ROC.
We as humans have an impact on the Earth hard to get away from that. As time goes on more and more are dependant and being fed hand and foot from packages. Only one way to get away from that and that is to exterminate the human race and that's not about to happen now is it. Live, do our best to leave a small footprint but we still have to live. Along the way we will and do make mistakes but we can't stop living can we.
In situations like this emotion always seems to take precedence over logic and facts, seems emotion rules the day this day and age. Fear mongering sells and sounds exciting but at the end of the day it's just that, fear monerging. Stop, look at the facts and enter a situation logically, we see little of that this day and age.
We as humans have an impact on the Earth hard to get away from that. As time goes on more and more are dependant and being fed hand and foot from packages. Only one way to get away from that and that is to exterminate the human race and that's not about to happen now is it. Live, do our best to leave a small footprint but we still have to live. Along the way we will and do make mistakes but we can't stop living can we.
In situations like this emotion always seems to take precedence over logic and facts, seems emotion rules the day this day and age. Fear mongering sells and sounds exciting but at the end of the day it's just that, fear monerging. Stop, look at the facts and enter a situation logically, we see little of that this day and age.
RODNREEL
Active Member
I'm not a fan of open net fish farms. IMO there's to much at risk and to much to lose. Lets think about this disaster a little differently.It's all over the radio,TV and internet and people that new nothing about fish farms are talking. I say lets keep the ball rolling tell your neighbor talk about it at work chat the guy up while your waiting for your double double in the morning. This is the best opportunity we have had to inform the masses and then maybe our governments will listen.
It's worth a try !!
It's worth a try !!
vicsurfer
Well-Known Member
The fish have now spread out 100km and are being caught off the Elwha river. http://vancouversun.com/business/lo...spur-pursuit-of-canadas-land-based-fish-farms
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