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Liberals to announce handgun ban Thursday


Paul Martin will venture into a violence-plagued area of Toronto on Thursday to announce a sweeping ban on handguns.
OTTAWA (CP) - Prime Minister Paul Martin will venture into a violence-plagued area of Toronto on Thursday to announce a sweeping ban on handguns, The Canadian Press has learned.

Martin was scheduled to visit Toronto's troubled Jane-Finch area to make a "safer communities announcement." Liberal sources have confirmed the announcement includes a ban on handguns. No other details were immediately available.

Handguns are already severely restricted in Canada and a handgun registry has been in force for more than 60 years.

But a rash of recent gun deaths in Toronto has prompted Martin to promise to crack down even more. Gunfire was responsible for 50 of the 74 murders so far this year in the city.



The rash of shootings prompted city police to launch a gun amnesty program in November, during which they collected 261 weapons and more than 1,500 rounds of ammunition.

A ban on handguns is likely to be popular in other large urban centres as well, like Montreal and Vancouver, where residents have been disturbed by recent firearms violence.

On Tuesday, Montreal residents marked the 16th anniversary of the massacre at Ecole Polytechnique, where 14 young women were gunned down by a rifle-wielding misogynist.


Windsor MP Joe Comartin, the New Democratic Party's justice critic, said the announcement sounds like "smoke and mirrors."

"Basically, all handguns in Canada are illegal now," said Comartin. "The only people who get permits are those who are using them for recreational purposes or those who need it for their own personal safety and there's not a lot of those that are granted."

He said the announcement sounds like "a political ploy during an election to garner some headlines and make it look like you're actually doing something when, in fact, what you're proposing is pretty meaningless."

Given the number of stolen guns used in crime, Comartin said there had been some discussion earlier this year at the all-party Commons justice committee about tightening regulations governing safe storage and use of handguns. But that is something that falls under provincial jurisdiction.

Comartin said the one thing the federal government could do would be to stop the flow of illegal firearms into Canada from the United States.

It remains to be seen how the ban will go over in rural areas, where the issue is more about rifles. Many Prairie rifle owners have never forgiven the Liberals for creating a registry for long guns.

Created 10 years ago, the registry was supposed to cost a mere $2 million. Instead, its cost has ballooned to more than $1 billion.

The Conservatives, who declined comment on the expected handgun ban Wednesday, have called the program a boondoggle and Auditor General Sheila Fraser has sharply criticized the waste and mismanagment that have pervaded the registry.

Gun owners warned at the time that the registry was the first step toward confiscation of their guns. Martin's announcement may be seen as confirmation of their worst fears.

The Liberals, who desperately need to regain support in Quebec and hang on to their urban base in Ontario, appear to be willing to sacrifice their meagre support in the Prairies in a bid to bolster their central Canadian base.

But the gambit may yet cost Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan her Edmonton seat and make it more difficult for Finance Minister Ralph Goodale to hang on to his somewhat safer Regina riding.

Currently, handguns in Canada are classified as either restricted or prohibited weapons.

Canadians can receive a licence to own a restricted weapon if they can prove it's part of a gun collection or used for target practice or target-shooting competitions. They can also be granted licences to use the firearm under "limited circumstances," such as in the role of a police officer.

Initial reaction to the handgun ban was predictably negative from the firearms lobby.

"It's going to accomplish nothing," said Wayne Fields of LaSalle, Ont., president of the Law-Abiding Registered Firearms Association. "There's already all types of legislation and illegal use of handguns is out of control."

Fields said the Liberals have long been focusing their energy in the wrong direction.

"They have to concentrate on the illegal drugs and the criminals that are using the firearms - get them off the street. They're not going to get rid of guns - it's impossible."

Fields said while he doesn't think the announcement will do Martin any good on the national stage, he admitted it might get him some votes in Ontario, and particularly in Toronto.

"He's trying to protect his strength here in Ontario against the Conservatives, in particular in Toronto where they're strong. The election is going to be won or lost in Ontario.

"Why the Conservatives haven't made it an (election) issue is beyond me."

He said any legislation to either register or ban guns is "lame-duck legislation . . . because half the gun owners aren't licensed and two-thirds of the guns aren't registered."

Kin Chung, who owns a gun shop in Vancouver, said he opposes any kind of sweeping ban on handguns because legitimate dealers like him would lose up to 80 per cent of their business.

"I'm absolutely not happy," he said.

Chung said a ban would also not be welcome by law-abiding citizens who register their guns as required by law and use them for target shooting, for example.

"Those who buy a gun legitimately, got a licence, go through a safety course, they are not about to commit a crime."

Most guns used by gangs aren't registered because they're often smuggled into Canada to commit violence, Chung said. "They should plug that hole."

He said Ottawa needs to address other issues, such as drugs and gang violence that often lead to shootings.

This is where it was pulled from: http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=news_home&articleID=2113839&lid=

BTW: If my sources are right, the referance of 1 BILLION should read 2 BILLION TAX PAYERS DOLLARS

Edited by - Mr. Dean on 12/07/2005 19:59:37
 
quote:
No sane honest person needs a handgun for any reason.

Scotty;

I'm shocked at your statement. I am however, eager to learn why you think this way.

Care to share some reasoning to back it up?

One of my biggest concerns is that we should look at other country's that have done this and then look at where they were 10 years later. NOT PRETTY.

The overwhelming vast majority of gun crime comes from illegal firearms. Not the legal/registered/papered - Joe blow from around the corner that enjoys a round of skilled target type shooting sports at the range every other Saturday instead of playing golf.

Joe has to much to lose for doing anything illegal with that gun and to insure it's where it's supposed to be come the next outing, he keeps it in a safe that the wife doesn't even know the combination for.

So if Joe's guns aren't getting stolen and he isn't using them illegally, then where are they coming from and who is getting them?

I think we should have spent 1 billion investigating and correcting the above, and injected the other billion into the health care system.

I think the govt is looking down the street in the wrong direction praying to win a ton of non educated votes (knee-jerk types), on a shameless road too victory - NOT talking about the facts of the issue but merely preying on the general publics fears. Such as : Guns kill people. If we make them illegal there will be less crime and violence. Again, look at other country's and study the history.

I would BEG ALL PEOPLE to get better informed on this issue and not vote from the 'gut', come January. You at least owe that to the next generation.

No sane hounest person needs a car, fishing rod, golf club, baseball mitt, hockey skates, tennis racket, roller blades, rubics cube, jig-saw puzzles, sewing machine, back-gammon board, magnifying glass, more than two pairs of shoes, a butler, Molly Maid, stainless steel sinks, hot running water, bus pass, coffee club card, GameBoy, X-Box, mp3 players and, well, anything material for that matter.

EVERY sane, hounest man should need and never forget his ability to learn the facts.

C'mon Scotty.............Beam me up! :)

Some like it rough...
Others just puke!.

Mr. Dean
 
quote:As for you Scotty boy.....I cant believe what you said.........
You must be one of those NEWBY RCMP out to prove your self or somthing along those lines eh?

cs

I don't think so...........The cop's KNOW where the problem lie's, MANY spoke their minds on it (w/ reprocutions) when this fiasco all started ie: long gun registry.

Also, remember then they said (govt) that they weren't reworking the registry in an attempt to confiscate - just regulate. I laughed at that one then. NOT laughing now however.

Pauly was on the morning news claiming that a vast # of the criminals guns are stolen from law abiding collectors. If this is TRUE, which I HIGHLY doubt, doesn't it reflect our law enforcement practices, or rather lack of. ie funding. He also failed to state where he got this reasoning. Or the media cut that one out......What Pauly is proposing isn't going to change a thing. If a guy wants an ileagel gun he'll still be able to get one - just as easy as the guy who wants to fish in RCA's.

IMHO I guess it boils down to the fact that if you got an issue w/ the criminals....Then take it up with them and leave the law abiding guy out of the equation. Start enforcing what you have NOW to work with.

Scotty. It's OK to have a difference of opinion. I'm a very open minded person and I'm not above changing it either (my mind).


EDUCATE ME, will ya (?)


Moderator:

Blu, I noticed that on the forums page that this forum is reserved for " fishing topics of a general nature".

I'm concerned that if this gun thingy happens then one day they might want my Hali spear or in an effort to protect the rock fish, close fishing in all areas including salmon/hali.

Does that make it 'good to go'. <img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

Some like it rough...
Others just puke!.

Mr. Dean
 
A gun can be registered and still kill someone.But this is my point,any law abiding hunter or target shooter are highly unlikely to go on a shooting spree or hold up a liquor store.Guns that kill people are smuggled in to the country or bought here and then modified for unlawful uses.What we need in this country is stiffer sentences for criminals who use guns in the crime they commit.2 or 3 years just does not cut it!!!!!!

Mike

PS I do not hunt or own firearms but many friends and family do and I am tired of the hoops they have to jump through for the hobby they enjoy.



Catch it,Kill it,Smoke it.
 
Judging from the news, it seem as though the Chief of the Van P. D. got my e-mail!


...But police aren't sure those measures will help. Vancouver Deputy Chief Doug LePard says handguns are almost illegal already – and that 90 per cent of the guns used in crimes have been smuggled into Canada from the U.S.

"So in terms of reducing that, I don't think that this legislation, or proposed legislation, is the answer to that problem."...



And yet another shooting last night!

Again I echo, It's time for a smart, intelligent vote @ the poll's come January. Echo, echo, echo......

Some like it rough...
Others just puke!.

Mr. Dean



Edited by - Mr. Dean on 12/09/2005 11:33:03
 
You know what is so funny about all this I wonder how many people are killed by registerd gun owners but hey I am and I havent shot now one yet so I guess the system works LOL LOL. as C.S said!!!!!!

When I was in Sask. there was posted land which said "HUNTING WITH UNREGISTERED GUNS ONLY" I think that gives you the census of how the people of rural sask. feel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wolf
 
yeah ive gotten a nice sawed off 12 gauge......blows through nething<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
 
Use someone elses and make sure to wear gloves.. Screw em'...... -dirty
 
Those poeple who do research about guns are a bunch of newbie wannabe *******. What do they know?

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More guns = More gun death and injury
Gun death rates are highly correlated to the rate of gun ownership in Canada. Provinces with higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of gun death and injury.

The research has shown that when other factors are held constant, the gun death rises in proportion to the rate of gun ownership. One study found a 92% correlation between households with guns and firearm death rates both within Canada and in comparable industrialized countries.

Other studies show that increased risks are associated with keeping guns in the home:
Homicide of a family member is 2.7 times more likely to occur in a home with a firearm than in homes without guns. Keeping one or more firearms was associated with a 4.8 fold increased risk of suicide in the home.
The risks increase, particularly for adolescents, where the guns are kept loaded and unlocked.

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International Comparisons

Dr. Ted Miller, National Public Services Research Institute examined the link between gun ownership rates and firearms death within Canadian provinces, the United States, England/Wales and Australia and concluded that 92% of the variance in death rates was explained by access to firearms in those areas. He suggested that a 1% increase (or decrease) in the percentage of households with guns in Canada would be associated with a 5.8% increase (or decrease) in the Canadian gun death rate.(T. Miller, M. Cohen. "Costs of Gunshot and Cut/Stab Wounds in the United States, with some Canadian Comparisons. " Accid Anal Prev 1997; 29 (3): 329-41.)
The international experience with firearms regulation and comparative mortality statistics tend to reinforce the thesis that there is a link between access to firearms and firearm death in industrialized countries, although there are issues around uniform reporting and other variables that must be addressed.

For example, a review of 13 countries showed that there was a strong correlation between gun ownership and both homicide with a gun and overall homicide rates (Killias excluded Northern Ireland from the analysis because of the level of civil unrest). In an analysis of 14 countries, the correlation between gun ownership and gun suicide was also significant, as was the correlation of gun ownership with overall suicide rates. Killias found no evidence of a compensation process whereby other means were substituted with firearms. (Killias, M. "International Correlations between Gun Ownership and Rate of Homicide and Suicide." Canadian Medical Association Journal. 1993;148 (10): 1721-5)

In another study, based on a standardized survey of victimization in fifty-four countries, gun ownership was significantly related to both the level of robberies and the level of sexual assaults. The relationship between levels of gun ownership and threats/assaults with a gun is also strong. Van Dijk also concluded that high levels of gun ownership such as in the USA, the former Yugoslavia, South Africa and several Latin American countries are strongly related to higher levels of violence generally.

Canada has always had stronger firearms regulation than the United States, particularly with respect to handguns. In Canada, handguns have been licensed and registered since the 1930’s, ownership of guns has never been regarded as a right and several court rulings have reaffirmed the right of the government to protect citizens from guns. Handgun ownership has been restricted to police, members of gun clubs or collectors. Very few (about 50 in the country) have been given permits to carry handguns for "self-protection." This is only possible if an applicant can prove that their life is in danger and the police cannot protect them.

As a result, Canada has roughly 1 million handguns while the United States has more than 76 million. While there are other factors affecting murder, suicide and unintentional injury rates, a comparison of data in Canada and the United States suggests that access to handguns may play a role. While the murder rate without guns in the US is roughly equivalent (1.8 times) to that of Canada, the murder rate with handguns is 14.5 times the Canadian rate. The costs of firearms death and injury in the two countries have been compared and estimated to be $495 (US) per resident in the United States compared to $195 per resident in Canada.

-------------------------------------------------------------------The effect of gun control legislation

Australian states with registration had significantly lower rates of homicide and suicide with firearms than states without registration of firearms.
Studies examining the effects of legislation on death and injury rates in Canada have also suggested that stricter controls reduce gun death. A more recent study suggests that changes to Canada’s gun control law have had an effect on accidental firearm death rates, particularly in males.(Boyd, Neil. "A Statistical Analysis of the Impacts of the 1977 Firearms Control Legislation: Critique and Discussion." Department of Justice Canada. 1996.)

Criminologist Neil Boyd concluded that there is more evidence to support the efficacy of gun control legislation in reducing death and injury than there is for most other legislative interventions. In reviewing the evaluations of the Canadian legislation he wrote:

"In three separate forms of statistical analysis - exploratory, time-series and structural - researchers have found evidence to suggest that gun control has had an impact on homicides and firearms homicides. The finding that an amendment to criminal law can change behaviour in the direction desired is unusual. We have had many amendments to Canadian criminal law during the past 40 years: for example changes to the penalty structure for homicide in 1961, 1967, 1973, 1974, 1976 and 1985; changes for the penalty structure affecting illegal drug use and distribution in 1961, 1969 and 1974.... In none of these circumstances has it been possible to establish that a change in law can impact behaviour in the direction that the law hopes for or anticipates. With gun control legislation, we have some preliminary evidence - some strong suggestions - that the criminal law is working. And it is working, not by manipulating penalty levels for specific forms of crime, but by putting a regulatory system in place that can limit access to firearms, enhance the safety of firearm use, and, in a more general sense, educate the public with respect to the dangers inherent in widespread availability of these potentially lethal commodities."


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Major Incidents and Inquest Recommendations

Montreal massacre - December 6, 1989, a man with a Ruger Mini 14 and large capacity magazine shot 28 students and teachers, killing 14 young women at the University of Montreal’s École Polytechnique. The tragedy served as a catalyst for public mobilization calling on the government to enact tougher firearms control.

Yeo Inquest - The inquest into the murder of Nina de Villiers of Burlington and Karen Marquis of New Brunswick by a man on bail for violent offenses with his legally owned rifle was held between April 13 and August 17, 1992. The inquest recommended the registration of all guns in Ontario.

Concordia University shooting - In August, 1992 a disgruntled University Professor shot and killed four other academics. The shooter had obtained three of his handguns through his wife. The incident raised questions about the process for acquiring restricted weapons permits.

Vernon massacre and inquest - The inquest into the Vernon massacre in which a gun club member killed his estranged spouse and 8 members of her family was held between in September, 1996. The coroner’s inquest into the massacre reaffirmed the importance of registering all firearms and licensing gun owners. It also called for notification of spouses and ex-spouses before firearm permits are approved.

Kasonde inquest - On July 25, 1997, the inquest into the murder of the two Kasonde children by their father with a legally acquired rifle in Ottawa recommended, among other measures, that the Department of Justice’s firearms registry be implemented as soon as possible.

Smith inquest - The inquest into the murder of Ottawa sportscaster Brian Smith by a man with a history of mental illness and a legal rifle, ended on November 25, 1997. It recommended the strengthening of licensing provisions.

Arlene May Inquest - The inquest which looked into the murder of Arlene May, who was shot and killed by a former lover with a legally acquired rifle, was held between February 16 and July 2, 1998. It recommended that the federal government proceed with its gun control licensing system as soon as possible.

OC Transpo Inquest - The Coalition made recommendations to the inquest jury looking into the Ottawa’s OC Transpo incident where a man killed 4 of his co-workers and himself, regarding mental health and firearms, the role of physicians and the need for public awareness on the risks associated with firearms in order to encourage reporting and help prevent future tragedies. No one knows if the new legislation could have prevented this particular incident. However, the inquest jury made several recommendations regarding federal firearms legislation and once again confirmed the importance of licensing and registration.


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Countering The Culture Of Violence

Efforts to reduce gun death and injury must also consider primary demand. It has been suggested that "gun culture" is largely an American construct which is reinforced by the absence of effective laws and the normalization of violence. Much of the demand for guns, particularly military weapons and handguns which serve little practical purpose, may be fuelled by violent movies and television which tends to link heroism, to guns and violence. In passing their recent firearms regulation law, the British were explicit: they saw in it a rejection of American style "gun culture." The suggestion that there is a link between values and gun violence is not new.

"By our readiness to allow arms to be purchased at will and fired at whim; by allowing our movies and television screens to teach our children that the hero is one who masters the art of shooting and the technique of killing... we have created an atmosphere in which violence and hatred have become popular past times" - Martin Luther King, November, 1963

Criminologist Rosemary Gartner has suggested that the effects of gun control laws are, therefore, both direct and indirect because of the important interaction between laws and values: countries with stricter controls send a signal about the acceptability of violence in the same way legislation has been observed to have long term effects on other behaviours such as smoking, drunk driving, and drug abuse Stricter controls on firearms both shape and reflect values.

The irony in this is that countries with strict controls, such as Great Britain, tend to be able to pass additional controls on firearms quickly and with relative ease. Countries without effective controls, such as the United States, have more guns and higher rates of gun death and injury. They also have effective opposition to stricter controls. This principle also operates within countries. For example, in Canada the strongest opposition to changes to the law came from Alberta, the province with the highest rate of gun ownership and one of the highest rates of gun-related death and injury.


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Arming For Self Protection Does not Work

The easiest response to suggestions that Canadian civilians need guns to protect themselves is to look south to the US to see where arming for self protection leads. While rates of violence in the US are comparable to countries such as Canada, Australia and Great Britain, rates of lethal violence are much higher. For example, murders without guns in the US are about 40% higher (1.4 times the rate) than in Canada while murders WITH handguns are 1500% higher (15 times the rate).

The gun lobby in Canada and the US frequently cites "research" to prove that more guns make us safer. The following are specific responses:

John Lott, More Guns Less Crime, University of Chicago

University of Chicago Professor John Lott's "More Guns Less Crime", claims that allowing civilians to carry concealed weapons reduces crime. This conclusion runs counter to the bulk of refereed research which shows a direct relationship, among developed countries, between the rate of gun ownership and firearm death. In fact, Lott's study has been widely critiqued by academics, such as Dr. Daniel Webster from the John Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, who cited several methodological and factual flaws, and errors in the statistical models used in the analysis.
Lott's advice following the Jonesboro, Arkansas shootings where an 11 and 13 year old killed 4 school children and their teacher is also revealing: "Allowing teachers and other law-abiding adults to carry concealed handguns in schools would not only make it easier to stop shootings in progress. It would also help deter shootings from ever occurring." Few criminologists or crime prevention experts in Canada or the US would share this view.

Gary Mauser, Professor, Business Administration, Simon Fraser University

Mauser's earlier work on arming for self-protection was funded by the NRA and has been critiqued by many academics. In one often cited study, Mauser argued that firearms are used between 62,500 and 80,000 times per year for self-defence. This is based on a 1995 telephone survey of 1,505 Canadians, in which 2.1% (32) of respondents claimed that they or a member of their household had used a gun for self-protection (either against a person or an animal) over the last five years. Of those, 12.9 % (5) claimed they or a member of their household had used a gun to protect themselves against a person within the last 5 years. Mauser extrapolates this to the Canadian population.
Dr. David Hemenway, Professor, Harvard University in an affidavit to the Alberta Court of Appeal, notes that Mausers study contains "incorrect assertions and misleading statements." The study fails to distinguish perception from reality - grabbing a gun in response to a bump in the night does not mean that anyone has actually been defended themselves against a threat. " It is not appropriate to extrapolate the results of a simple, self-reported study or a RARE event, particularly when there is the possibility of positive social desirability response, or personal presentation bias. The results will be wild over estimates." He compares Mauser's methodology to a 1995 survey by NBC which asked 1500 Americans "Have you personally ever been in contact with aliens from another planet or not?". Extrapolating the results (0.6%) to the entire US population would suggest that 1.2 million Americans have been in actual contact with aliens.


Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
 
Red, them are the kind of posts I like to see. Something w/ research. Thanks for sharing.

Your research doesn't however reflect actual numbers, just percentages. I took the liberty of doing some digging and this is what I came up with in short order.

Read this and remember that the stats were compiled over a 10 year period.

Firearms Deaths in Canada
1987-1996


- an average of 1385 Canadians died per year from gunshot wounds

- 79% of firearm-related deaths were suicides
- 14% of firearm-related deaths were homicides
- 4% of firearm-related deaths were accidents

'Canadian Firearms Centre statistics'


If we were to remove the suicides (I just think if one wants to die, one will find a way of doing so if he/she can't find a gun) this leaves us with 290.85 deaths per year on average via accident or homicide, again, country wide.

In the province of BC ALONE we had a death toll of 400 (+/-) last year resulting from motor vehicles.

I can't for the love of God see how our government can justify the amount of monies spent trying to curtail such a miniscule amount of tragedy's with sooooo much more bad going around. It just doesn't make ANY sense.

I'll admit that I'm more than just a little PO'd about the fact that not 10 years ago our government told me it was ok to own and use handguns, as long as I abided by ALL the rules that they set out in their then new policies. Guess what? I did then and I still do now.

I currently have over 5000 bucks in receipts invested in this sport. Now they want to change the rules and ban my access to it under the guise of safety. Sorry but I just don't believe it.

I think that there are other, more important issue's on hand when it comes to 'saving' human lives. Whether it be revamping the healthcare system or outlawing the use of muscle cars on our streets and highways (BURN) because we all know how unsafe they are compared to modern vehicles.

There's got to be a better way of spending 1.82 billion.......(does anyone realize HOW much money this is?)

One more...Since the new registry in 96, I understand that the #'s of firearms deaths were decreasing. Why fix something that aint broke?



Some like it rough...
Others just puke!.

Mr. Dean

Edited by - Mr. Dean on 01/05/2006 04:32:04
 
EDIT - I apologize for this ramble. At the time of writing I came off a 26 hr shift and apparently the ole brain cells were a little fuzzy. I'll try to clean it up and make more sense.

The point I'm trying to get across to people is the hard facts of just how small this perceived problem really is (handguns in Canada and their relationship with deaths). When viewed using real numbers and not percentages, things start coming together, or they did for me at least.


Please give this old post a re-read with an open mind.
Thanks,
Dean.
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Just spent the better part of 5 hrs reading different studies on Canadian gun control. Can you say BORING!

Appears that for every one (study) out there, there are two others that shoot it down due to 'this or that'. Doesn't seem to mater what side of the fence you're on. So I'll stick with Stats Can and the Canadian Firearms centre and play with their stuff (information).

Here's some interesting numbers:

- It is estimated that there are seven million legally owned firearms in Canada.
- If we factor out the suicides, the percentage (for those that like percentages) of preventable deaths / annum average is .0040142% (4 ten thousandths of one percent!) when compared to the # of legal guns in Canada.

Yup. Looks as if we got an EPIDEMIC on our hands...........


Here's some more insight on gun related deaths;

- 54% of homicides involved rifles or shotguns.
- 35% involved handguns.
- 11% involved 'other types' of firearms (altered/sawed-off long guns and shotguns)

Using these statistics, 65% of this epidemic loss of life actually results from long guns of some sort.....Interesting, isn't it.

Work the #'s and that means the percentage of preventable deaths (again for those that like percentages) / annum, average, that were caused buy handguns country wide, over a 10 year period is .0014042% (14 ten thousandths of one percent!!) of the total picture when compared to the # of legal guns in Canada.

Hey! It gets better:

Out of this, 62% of the firearms used (solved cases) were NOT legally acquired. (stolen/black market).
This means that........Well you do the math.

Once again it should be stated that these are my own findings using the above two government offices stats that are of public record.

In the end I can sure see why from a statistical point of view that I'm a very dangerous man and I need to find a new hobby......NOT!!!

WHY our government is committed to spending GROSS amounts of money (1.82 billion) in addressing this HUGE problem is simply a question that I can't answer. I wonder how much of it was spent in brain-washing the general public........

WHY didn't they put forth a commitment of this MAGNITUDE towards our healthCare system is another good question.

WHY the general public isn't COMPLETELY BENT SIDEWAYS and OUTRAGED for their leaders actions puzzles me even more.

I only wish I could get more current data. Safe Storage laws were implemented in 1996 - The last year of StatsCanada collection of figures. Basically since 96 ALL HANDGUNS are required to be kept in a SAFE. Everyone that I know stores ALL of their firearms in one (including rifles). The day's of keeping a gun on the wall are looong gone. This should have a had positive reaction regarding thefts and children's access. This coupled w/ education are the two strongest results of our Gun Control laws - IMO.

In closing I woud like to say;

The govt could take away all of the legal firearms in the country and we'll STILL have to deal with the kind of news (shootings) as of late.

LETS GET FOCUSED!

I could go on and on but I don't want this turning into another long BORING study.

People don't read em.
Dean.




Some like it rough...
Others just puke!.

Mr. Dean

Edited by - Mr. Dean on 01/06/2006 16:07:33
 
Well howdy folks. Just a new guy here. Hey who remembers Marc lepine?
That was the creature who shot the women in montreal.
His real name was gamil rodriguez gharbi. (did I spell that right?)
His assumed name was marc lepine.
His wealthy father got him into canada from algeria. Or was it armenia? Whatever. Because over there, women are given a value, like any other commodity. In this case that value was between a pig and a goat.
So with that attitude, he couldn't stand it when mere women were
getting high education and he couldn't get a job. So, he cracked and went nuts. Used the system in place to get an f.a.c., got a mini 14
and took out his frustration on the enemy.
And, to this very day, the anti-gunners use this example of why guns
are bad, and should be banned.
By saying he would ban handguns, Mr Martin is basically admitting that the 60 year old registration system already in place is a dismal failure.
And further, the registration system today is also a dismal failure!!
Well we already know that one!! Rocket science right?
So if we ban guns and men, the world will surely be a safer and more utopian place to live. Yup, and if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale down 'frisco way. Sale this week, only 50 bucks!!@!
As long as we inhabit this earth, the goons will find ways to exterminate each other, whether it's with a club, knife, or bombs.
Canadas problem skyrocketed at the same time the floodgates were opened to the asian immigrants after the vietnam war.
They were only too happy to give us all their drug dealers and criminals!
Take a look a Vancouver. The first home invasions started just after
the floodgates opened about what, 10 years ago?
As far as I'm concerned, the real problem is immigration canada.
Period.
They, and they alone are guilty of the montreal massacre.
Furthermore, take a look at England and their aftereffects of their
banning handguns. Armed crime has skyrocketed to the point where armed criminals have incredible power. Why? No one can defend themselves.
The UK's armed crime rate per capita is now higher than the US.
Gee thats funny. The US now has concealed carry laws in almost every state, and their armed crime rate has plummeted.
Why every state but two? Well, when the first bunch saw their crime rates drop, the rest could simply not deny the proof.
Now take a look at the other disaster down in australia. Same path as the UK.
Now why would we ban guns instead of getting real tough on criminals?
Answer's easy....BECAUSE TODAYS SYSTEM KEEPS THE LAWYER-POLITICIANS
BUSY IN COURT DEFENDING THESE GOONS!!!!! Here's yer slap-on-the-wrist, see you in court next week!
Oh bytheway mister taxpayer, here's the bill for getting this slime off again.
Well I can't write anymore, got to go back to work to pay them taxes
to one of the richest men in canada, owner of canada steamship lines,
and writer of all the checks for the gun registry, and writer of all the checks for the sponsorship scandal.. hmmmm
 
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