Cohen Commision: Special Hearings on ISA

[h=1]Cohen Commission to hold three days of hearings on ISAv testing December 15, 16 and 19[/h]MEDIA ALERT
December 2, 2011
(Vancouver) The Cohen Commission of Inquiry into the Decline of Sockeye Salmon in the Fraser River will hold three additional days of evidentiary hearings December 15, 16 and 19 in Vancouver to put new information about recent testing for the ISA virus in BC on the commission’s record.
Currently scheduled witnesses are:
Panel 1 (December 15 & 16):
  • Dr. Fred Kibenge, Chairman, Department of Pathology and Microbiology, Atlantic Veterinary College, University of Prince Edward Island
  • Dr. Are Nylund, Professor, University of Bergen, Norway( Dec. 15 only)
  • Mrs. Nellie Gagné, Molecular Biology Scientist and Laboratory Supervisor, DFO, Moncton
  • Dr. Kristi Miller, Head Molecular Genetics, DFO, Nanaimo (Dec. 15 only)
Panel 2 (December 16 & 19):
  • Dr. Kim C. Klotins, Acting National Manager, Disease Control Contingency Planning, Aquatic Animal Health Division, CFIA, Ottawa
  • Dr. Peter Wright, National Manager, National Aquatic Animal Health Laboratory System, Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Moncton
  • Dr. Simon Jones, Research Scientist, DFO, Nanaimo
  • Mr. Stephen Stephen, Director Biotechnology and Aquatic Animal Health Sciences Branch, DFO, Ottawa
Out of total of 8 witnesses FIVE (5) are from DFO and one fro CFIA?

I can see this all ready! The first two witnesses, who actually tested for ISAv and their samples tested positive for ISAv will say that it is possible to have false positives and additional testing should be done.

Dr Kristi Miller will state her research is not complete and there is someting infecting the Sockeye; however, she has not confirmed what it is. Hopefully, someone will ask here about SL??? She will NOT provide proof she has tested for ISAv and probably doesn't even know much about it.

Then you will have the other FIVE (5) who are going to state there are procedures in place to properly test for ISAv. They tested the samples provided; however, the samples were poor, degraded, and their results could not be duplicated; therefore, were are considered false positives. And, there has been the ongoing testing process in BC for years with 5,000 fish tested, and non "confirmed" ISAv. Even all those fish tested positive in 2002 for ISAv were not retested properly and therefore tests are also considered to be "false positives." There has never been any "confirmed" cases of ISAv in BC. That is their story and "they" are sticking to it! Any bets???
 
Just to be sportin', Charlie, I'll take that bet. If you're betting that the whole scenario goes the way you say, I'll take that bet. You may be right about the testimony, but there are some pretty sharp lawyers involved in the cross examination and that's where the trip ups will happen. You're on.
 
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all that we can honestly ask for is the vary best that our saviors can give...it must be more than the Devil himself!

DHA.
 
This Girl kicks butt....
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2011/12/open-lett.html

Open Letter to Minister Ashfield

December 9, 2011
Dear Fisheries and Oceans Canada Minister Ashfield:
Your response to the ISA virus is not serving British Columbians and so we are intervening on our behalf.
Only government can’t find ISA virus in BC salmon. You cannot pretend Fraser sockeye, Chinook, chum and coho are not testing positive for ISA virus.
You write “…there are stringent federal regulations in place to protect Canada’s aquatic species (farmed and wild) from disease,” (letter, Nov. 23, 2011) but I can’t find them. Every possible line of defense against ISA virus has been removed or never existed.
1. When DFO waived the Canadian Fish Health Protection Regulations, 8 million Atlantic salmon eggs entered BC that do not meet “federal regulations,” and we lost our 1st first line of defense against ISA virus.
2. ISA virus does not appear on the egg import certificate, our 2nd line of defense.
3. When ISA virus went epidemic in 2007 in Chile, DFO did not even make it reportable in Canada, our 3rd line of defense.
4. DFO ignored ≈2,000 reports of “classic” ISAv lesions in farm salmon.
5. You are ignoring lab tests coming up positive for ISA virus.
6. It is meaningless to state 5,000 government tests didn’t find ISA virus without reference to the RNA segment, assay, probe or primers.
7. Most critical, you refuse to acknowledge the HPR0 strain of ISA because it cannot be cultured. HPR0 appears to travel with Atlantic salmon eggs, then mutate to higher virulence. When you refuse to recognize HPR0 you remove BC’s final line of defense against ISA virus.
There has been no response from DFO Pacific Region to ISA. All communications have come from your office - unprecedented in the troubled history of BC salmon farms.
Mr. Ashfield I keep trying to tell you, we are not fools. Your failure to respond to the early virus warnings echoes what happened to Chile. This has unacceptable biological, economic, international and market implications. So we have stepped into the void you created. We are tracking ISA virus, we will form a plan when all our results are in and we will give you direction in the New Year. Whether ISAv has always been here, arrived 100 years ago, or recently, there are specific steps available to benefit salmon.
Salmon diseases are no longer a federal secret. We will protect our fish. We are not going to beg help from you any longer.
Alexandra Morton
 
Great post GLG!

On point #3: It was right around that time of the ISA outbreak in Chile that then DFO Minister, Hearns, took a crew down there 'to party' with the Chilean fish-farmers for several days. At the conclusion of which he returned to Canada triumphantly waving a signed 'Memorandum of Understanding' (MOA) he'd brokered with the Chilean's, promising closer ties with Canada and more open exchanges of fish-farming technologies.

What a 'Superhero' Hearns was! Another of Harpers' superassholes maybe.

FYI: It was revealed 3 or 4 years ago that the Chilean fish-farmers - operating in a basically unregulated environment - used roughly 300 times more chemicals and chemotheraputants than was allowed here in Canada.
 

Hello Wild Salmon People;

The work we have done together looking for ISA virus and making it public has prompted the Cohen Commission to reopen on the Thursday this week (Dec. 15, 16, 19). In preparation for this I have done a blog quoting government's fierce internal debate over importing Atlantics into BC. You can see there are heroes in DFO and the Ministry of Environment who were silenced by the looming threat of *Trade Sanctions*.

Real or imagined you can see this pressure degraded the safeguards.

Interestingly, first industry brought in Scottish eggs (1985), but stopped suddenly and lobbied for U.S. eggs. Large numbers of eggs poured in from the U.S. and then abruptly stopped. Industry then pressured DFO to allow Icelandic eggs. DFO drops the regulations further and eggs flood in from Iceland, and then abruptly stop in 2009. April 2010, the salmon farmers decide they don't want the provincial government auditing their farms for viruses.

No matter whether we are talking about exotic or endemic viruses, salmon farms destabilize the relationship between pathogen and host. If commerce and not biology regulates how we deal with disease - we are in trouble. I think it is important to recognize there have been and still are heroic efforts from within government to protect our fish from disease. Today, Dr. Sally Goldes who headed the provincial fish health lab stepped forward in the Times Colonist to say we /never/ had effective measures against imported viruses. (see my blog). We need to support these people to represent our need for wild salmon.

I understand the Cohen Commission is refusing to allow live-streaming of this public inquiry. There are people who have stepped up to do this at no charge. You can voice an opinion on this: http://www.cohencommission.ca/en/submissions/SubmissionForm.php Carla Shore carla.shore@cohencommission.ca <mailto:carla.shore@cohencommission.ca> 604-658-3646, Cell: 604-329-0975 Ms. Shore is only the messenger, you will need to convince Justice Bruce Cohen.

This a public inquiry into a public resource, we are paying for the court time, the lawyers, the judge and the salaries of some of the people on the stand. It is open to the public who can afford to make the trip, so why can't everyone listen in as they did earlier this year? What about the people 900km up the Fraser River, don't they get the right listen too? Check for times and location at cohencommission.ca <http://cohencommission.ca/> go to "Calendar and Transcripts" - it is in a new location I will be blogging daily at http://alexandramorton.typepad.com, there will be live-blogging at the salmon are sacred Facebook page, hopefully we can inspire Cohen to make this public Inquiry - public to the people of Canada.

There is no question we are in troubled times. But I think it is important to remember that the reason industry pressured government allow them to pour Atlantic salmon into the Pacific was to make money off the enormous capacity of the North Pacific to grow fish. If salmon farms contaminate these waters what is the point? They will lose what they came for, and we will lose what we have. They can make deals, rationalize bad behaviour, give corporations more rights than local people, but if they destroy what they so blindly pursue - what is the point? We need to find solid ground and stand on it. Salmon disease is not a federal secret. These hearings are very, very important.

Alexandra Morton
 

...- what is the point? ...

No, they do have a point even knowingly destroying their host environment. Because every year that they are allowed to continue, lines the pockets of the companies owners and shareholders. If the catastrophe hits, they still have all the profit from the previous years that made them rich. Then they will collect the insurance payback and move on to a new and similar naiv host to start all over. They do have a point, which is a few get very rich at the cost of our environmental. And because of this almost fail-proof mechanism that makes the few richer and richer, they will fight with all their might to keep their position in the driver seat.
 
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VANCOUVER - A fisheries scientist says labs have detected an unusual strain of fish virus in B.C. Salmon, but it appears to be different than the virus that wiped out stocks in Norway and Chile.
Kristi Miller, with Department of Fisheries, told the inquiry investigating the sharp decline in Fraser River salmon that she believes not all testing can pick up that "divergent" strain of infectious salmon anaemia.

Miller is giving evidence during the first of three days of a special sitting to discuss the controversial virus at the Cohen Commission.
The commission wrapped up 21 months of hearings in November, but resumed after concerns surfaced when a Simon Fraser University professor reported finding positive samples of the virus in two B.C. fish.
Government officials have since announced that extensive retesting came up negative, but said public agencies will nonetheless develop a new surveillance plan to watch more closely for fish diseases.
A strain of the influenza-like virus was first identified as a threat in Norway in the 1980s and later devastated the wild salmon industry in Chile.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ar...und-deadly-virus-in-bc-sockeye-135670743.html

First bit of news from today (Thursday 1PM)
 
Department of Fisheries (DFO) biologists have told a federal inquiry that fish samples, dating back more than two decades have tested positive for a potentially lethal wild sockeye fish virus — but that fact wasn't publicly reported.
Dr. Kristi Miller, the head of molecular genetics for DFO in Nanaimo, told the Cohen Commission on Thursday that frozen samples dating back to 1986 have been tested, and show infectious salmon anemia (ISA) has been in B.C. waters for at least 25 years.
The public inquiry into the decline of the Fraser River sockeye salmon stocks was extended for three extra days after ISA was detected in wild B.C. salmon two months ago by Simon Fraser University Prof. Rick Routledge.
That revelation put the Canadian Food Inspection Agency and B.C.'s fish farming industry on high alert, but those results couldn't be confirmed and government scientists announced earlier this month that extensive testing came up negative.
The alleged presence of ISA in B.C. salmon stocks is controversial because the virus had never before been found in salmon off B.C.'s coast, either in the Atlantic species that are farmed in ocean pens or in B.C.'s indigenous wild salmon.
The virus is known to be devastating to farmed Atlantic salmon and opponents of the fish farm industry have suggested farmed fish could spread ISA to wild stocks, with catastrophic results.
The virus has been linked to the destruction of the salmon farming industry in Chile and Europe.
The crisis has prompted the Canada Food Inspection Agency to develop a regular surveillance program for ISA, that is expected to be in place as early as next spring.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/12/15/bc-salmon-virus-claims.html

Here kitty kitty .... where did that kitty go
GLG
 
"Dr. Kristi Miller, the head of molecular genetics for DFO in Nanaimo, told the Cohen Commission on Thursday that frozen samples dating back to 1986 have been tested, and show infectious salmon anemia (ISA) has been in B.C. waters for at least 25 years."


I think... Dr. Kristi Miller has got it figured out. Now, what is Canada going to do?
 
One huge cull.
Starting in Ottawa and ending in the fish farms on this coast.
And it pains me to say perhaps at our local hatcheries too.
 
Infectious salmon anemia, a virus that has triggered devastating disease outbreaks in stocks of farmed Atlantic salmon around the world, appears to have been in British Columbia wild salmon for at least 25 years, the Cohen commission of inquiry has heard.
The ISA virus – or a new variation of it – has been found repeatedly in samples of wild sockeye and pink salmon, as well as in samples of farmed chinook taken from one West Coast aquaculture operation.

That revelatory evidence was given on Thursday, by Kristi Miller, head of molecular genetics at the federal Pacific Biological Station in Nanaimo.
“I clearly believe that there is a virus here that is very similar to the ISA virus in Europe … [but] we have not established that it causes disease,” said Dr. Miller.
She was one of four experts on ISA called to testify about a recent series of conflicting test results that have raised questions about whether the virus is present on the West Coast or not.
In October, sockeye salmon collected by Simon Fraser University researchers were tested at an East Coast lab and several samples were found positive for ISA. But follow-up testing by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency failed to replicate the results. As other labs got into the picture, some got positive results, while others didn’t.
Intrigued by the SFU discovery, Dr. Miller said she launched her own research effort and has concluded that the ISA virus, or something much like it, is present in both wild and farmed salmon in B.C.
Fred Kinbenge, chair of the department of pathology and microbiology at the University of Prince Edward Island, which did the SFU testing, agreed with Dr. Miller’s assessment.
“In my view … I think there’s evidence there are ISAV sequences in fish samples from B.C.,” Dr. Kinbenge said. “I think the result is credible. Now, whether it’s ISA or ISA-virus-like, that requires some work.”
Dr. Miller said her tests found a virus that is 95-per-cent similar to the European strain of ISA, which has infected farmed Atlantic salmon in Norway, Scotland, Atlantic Canada and Chile.
She said when her tests detected ISA in fish collected this year, she went back into the laboratory’s storage lockers and pulled out samples of fish from as far back as 1986 – and found ISA there too, showing the virus has been present at least 25 years.
Dr. Miller said the ISA virus has now been confirmed in numerous wild fish, and in chinook samples provided by Creative Salmon, a fish farm on Vancouver Island.
Dr. Miller said Creative was the only fish farm that co-operated with her research efforts, and she had not been able to get samples from other farms in B.C.
“They did not want their samples to be tested,” she said of the farms, which mostly raise Atlantic salmon.
The ISA disease can be lethal to Atlantic salmon, but lab tests suggest it does not kill Pacific salmon.
However, a report by Brad Davis, a postdoctoral fellow working with Dr. Miller, indicates that fish with the virus react in a way that “suggests that the virus is causing enough damage to elicit a strong response in the salmon. … Therefore, we cannot at this point assume that this virus does not cause disease in these fish.”
The panel of ISA experts included Are Nylund, a professor at the University of Bergen who was testifying by video link from Norway, and Nellie Gagné, a molecular biology scientist with a DFO testing lab in Moncton.
The panel members all agreed that the conflicting results between labs could be the result of different techniques.
Dr. Nylund said he is not convinced by Dr.Miller’s work, which was completed just last week.
“I don’t think we have seen … hard evidence,” he said.
Ms. Gagné said the ISA virus was first detected on the East Coast in 1990, and research showed it was a different strain from the European virus.
“It could be we are really looking at another [third kind of] ISA,” she said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news... RSS/Atom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2272915
 
[h=1]Scientist claims evidence of salmon virus from early as 1986, feared lab would be closed[/h]
VANCOUVER, B.C. - A Canadian scientist testifying in front of a commission over the collapse of the Fraser River salmon fishery says that tests done as far back as 2002 did find indicators of the Infectious Salmon Anemia virus in pacific salmon.

Dr Kristi Miller, Head of Molecular Genetics in Nanaimo for the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Ocean, testified in Vancouver, B.C., that Canada's food inspection agency was not happy with her doing the tests.

She said there was a general feeling she should not be looking at viruses or diseases. She was fearful that all samples would be taken from her lab and was also very concerned that samples from her genomics program, also based in the lab, would be removed.

When asked by commission lawyer Brock Martland if there was any indication of a virus, Dr Miller testified, "there is a virus here very similar to ISA."
Miller added that it has not been established if the virus causes any disease. She is continuing to test for the virus.
She said she will also tested fish samples stored in her lab from 1986 and found evidence of ISA. It is not yet known what strain of the virus may exist in the Pacific salmon.

More on this here
http://kplu.org/post/scientist-claims-evidence-salmon-virus-early-1986-feared-lab-would-be-closed
 
Just to be sportin', Charlie, I'll take that bet. If you're betting that the whole scenario goes the way you say, I'll take that bet. You may be right about the testimony, but there are some pretty sharp lawyers involved in the cross examination and that's where the trip ups will happen. You're on.

So, am I winning that bet?
 
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