$15 daycare

[sly_karma]

I've never been a supporter of any one political party and certainly not a party member, but the more i think about it, the more I like the $15 daycare plan. This is a lot different from other parties' child tax credit policies. Some families will use the money or the tax refund for daycare, but many won't. The cheap daycare plan will have every family with kids jumping to join the program and the need for more capacity will create immediate spinoff economic activity in the building trades as people invest in new, expanded or renovated daycare facilities, plus tens of thousands of reliable year-round basic jobs for young people. Many families currently spend upwards of $1000 a month for day care, now that money will circulate in their local community in different ways. This is also going to be a huge boost for women's wage equality as their current under employment and part time work become less necessary with affordable daycare. Big step forward for single parent families too.

Governments are forever tinkering with tax credits and childcare benefit amounts, they come and go according to political situation, budgetary status etc. They're a here today, gone tomorrow item, but universal subsidised child care would become structural after one term because of its obvious, easy to understand benefits. Within a few years it will be an untouchable plank in the Canadian system, just like health care and subsidised university education. Those were originally derided by political opponents as being unaffordable and socialist too, but who'd be without them now?

Even if you don't have kids (mine are grownups), it's easy to see the benefits across our society. Government spending on this program will have threefold impact in follow-on spending (people with jobs and businesses spend money!) This policy could have come from any of the major parties and I'd support it. Please consider doing the same.

 

[papalorge]

which party has the $15 dollar plan, maybe I missed it...

 

[ziggy]

It sounds good but it seems like we put kids into institutional care pretty quickly already. If you figure full time kindergarten starts at 5 years old, then school. Also Maternity benefits allow a parent to stay home for almost a full year, its a pretty small window for full time daycare.

The other side of the argument is does government daycare provide any benefit to a parent who wants to stay home? Or a parent that can't find work?

I'm sure it has a place just not sure its the best solution for the cost?

 

[Time]

I don't trust any politician who promises funding for any project leading up to an election.
Conservatives have been especially good this time around about announcing public funded projects prior to the dropping of the election writ.
Even if they return to power I don't expect any of them to actually happen.
Endless studies will be followed by the realization that no funding is available.
For daycare, they might as well promise to make it free.
Not Tory bashing (if they made the 15.00 promise), same applies to all parties.

Bribing the taxpayer with his/her own money is too old a political trick to still be practiced.
(Rant over.)

 

[finaddict]

Just another socialist handout. I had to pay exorbitant daycare fees for my kids and my wife and I both worked our asses off to pay for it. Thanks but I think we should go back to no daycare handouts of any kind. Just allow these costs to be tax deductible and get everyone back to thinking that they should pay for their own children and not have the rest of Canada pay for them. Or maybe I should get in line and expect my subsidized downtown Vancouver condo........ Enough with the socialism. Get our taxes back to reality.

 

[Cuba Libre]

which party has the $15 dollar plan, maybe I missed it...

NDP-- Mulcair repeated the promise tonight in Courtenay

 

[halimark]

Thank you finaddict could not have said it better. That goes for all things, options, decisions, and choices all have ramifications. Put the onus and responsibility back on those that made the choice (us), any govn should stop mothering and get back to governing.

HM

 

[GLG]

Just another socialist handout. I had to pay exorbitant daycare fees for my kids and my wife and I both worked our asses off to pay for it. Thanks but I think we should go back to no daycare handouts of any kind. Just allow these costs to be tax deductible and get everyone back to thinking that they should pay for their own children and not have the rest of Canada pay for them. Or maybe I should get in line and expect my subsidized downtown Vancouver condo........ Enough with the socialism. Get our taxes back to reality.

Had to have two drinks because you used socialist/socialism twice. (drinking game )

What about K to 12 you must be against that too..... how about medicare that's the same thing?
Not to mention old age security and EI....

It's not as clear cut and it seems as there is no developed country in world that doesn't have social programs. Truth is there are countries out there that have more social programs than we do and they seem to be working fine. How about Germany and their free university for their citizens? I'm of the opinion that we should be looking at programs like this and finding ways to invest in the next generation. We need them to compete in a global economy and what we can do, for young families, as a society can only help them. If that means a 15 dollar a day daycare subsidy why not.... and yes I paid for daycare for my kid also and nobody helped me with that. Thing is you and I both got cheques every month for child benefits and that's gone now as of the last budget.... well not really they just made it a taxable benefit so the "Xmas in July" Harper present goes back in April.

As for where would we get the money?

How about cutting the spin doctors from the PMO and there ads.
That would be a pile of money.....

How about from the profits of casinos and the loto.
That's money that that no one would feel bad about spending.

Have the government borrow from Bank of Canada instead of the Royal Bank so we save on interest.
Those interest costs are killing us as a country and with Harper running up our debt for the last 10 years, that's a lot of cash.

How about all the subsides to the fossil fuel industry.
They are the most profitable companies since the invention of money and surely they can stand on their own.

I'm sure given enough time we could find a lot of waste in the system to pay for it without having to increase the tax of us normal folks.

 

[Jeep09]

Just another socialist handout. I had to pay exorbitant daycare fees for my kids and my wife and I both worked our asses off to pay for it. Thanks but I think we should go back to no daycare handouts of any kind. Just allow these costs to be tax deductible and get everyone back to thinking that they should pay for their own children and not have the rest of Canada pay for them. Or maybe I should get in line and expect my subsidized downtown Vancouver condo........ Enough with the socialism. Get our taxes back to reality.

you probably are one of them "there is only so many fish in the sea guys". Almost free handouts, reward everybody cause they tried....you probably even want a balanced budget!!! Shame on you lol

 

[Big Green Machine]

Just another socialist handout. I had to pay exorbitant daycare fees for my kids and my wife and I both worked our asses off to pay for it. Thanks but I think we should go back to no daycare handouts of any kind. Just allow these costs to be tax deductible and get everyone back to thinking that they should pay for their own children and not have the rest of Canada pay for them. Or maybe I should get in line and expect my subsidized downtown Vancouver condo........ Enough with the socialism. Get our taxes back to reality.

Things like childcare, health and education are an investment that we all need to pay for now. The cost to fix damaged kids, uneducated youth, and sick citizens will cost a lot more to remediate down the road. It's economics 101. Don't think you want to burden your kids and the next generation with that. I would feel guilty.

 

[Big Green Machine]

Had to have two drinks because you used socialist/socialism twice. (drinking game )

What about K to 12 you must be against that too..... how about medicare that's the same thing?
Not to mention old age security and EI....

It's not as clear cut and it seems as there is no developed country in world that doesn't have social programs. Truth is there are countries out there that have more social programs than we do and they seem to be working fine. How about Germany and their free university for their citizens? I'm of the opinion that we should be looking at programs like this and finding ways to invest in the next generation. We need them to compete in a global economy and what we can do, for young families, as a society can only help them. If that means a 15 dollar a day daycare subsidy why not.... and yes I paid for daycare for my kid also and nobody helped me with that. Thing is you and I both got cheques every month for child benefits and that's gone now as of the last budget.... well not really they just made it a taxable benefit so the "Xmas in July" Harper present goes back in April.

As for where would we get the money?

How about cutting the spin doctors from the PMO and there ads.
That would be a pile of money.....

How about from the profits of casinos and the loto.
That's money that that no one would feel bad about spending.

Have the government borrow from Bank of Canada instead of the Royal Bank so we save on interest.
Those interest costs are killing us as a country and with Harper running up our debt for the last 10 years, that's a lot of cash.

How about all the subsides to the fossil fuel industry.
They are the most profitable companies since the invention of money and surely they can stand on their own.

I'm sure given enough time we could find a lot of waste in the system to pay for it without having to increase the tax of us normal folks.

Well said Gil.

 

[neon rider]

yep im with finaddict. i am in my mid 30s and i chose to have a family and i will pay for them by working my butt off. and i will enjoy every minute of it. the polititions only say they will do this stuff to get votes. why should i be entitled to money and breaks that my friends that dont have kids are not. they work just as hard as i do. things need to change. but unfortunatly there will always be polititions pissing our money away.

 

[Aces]

Something for nothing....or next to it.

The NDP mantra but we all pay for it in the end.

I still remember the last time they were in power and we are still paying for those fast ferries as well as all the other "free" programs they had.

 

[ziggy]

Things like childcare, health and education are an investment that we all need to pay for now. The cost to fix damaged kids, uneducated youth, and sick citizens will cost a lot more to remediate down the road. It's economics 101. Don't think you want to burden your kids and the next generation with that. I would feel guilty.

I guess we can disagree on having the state raising our children, but can agree on health and education? Never been a fan of big government.

 

[bee15]

It sounds good but it seems like we put kids into institutional care pretty quickly already. If you figure full time kindergarten starts at 5 years old, then school. Also Maternity benefits allow a parent to stay home for almost a full year, its a pretty small window for full time daycare.

The other side of the argument is does government daycare provide any benefit to a parent who wants to stay home? Or a parent that can't find work?

I'm sure it has a place just not sure its the best solution for the cost?

that statement is just a way to get the vote of people with kids they could say free and we will pay you ,nothing is binding its back yo norm if they get voted in. we should know not to believe election promises they can say anything nothings freight sounds good from politician its just a vacuum cleaner sales pitch to get stupid people vote you have kids you be responsible for themas much as you can just like your parents did

 

[GLG]

I hear you guys about pissing our money away..... I have seen more pissing away of my money in the last 10 years that it makes me sick. How about those "Action Plans" commercial we get come playoff time. How about all those "Northern Gateway better then sliced bread" commercial we have been paying for, for the last few years. How about that G20 conference in Toronto that had spending way above what any other country has ever spent. Like did we really need a fake lake to impress these guys. How about all the war ships to protect the oil tankers in the middle east. Or the big one...... all the offshore tax havens for the profits of companies so they don't have to pay taxes here.

So the NDP wants to invest in kids.... you think that's bad? If they get in then I expect you guys to stand on your principles and take that money and donate to the food bank.

 

[ziggy]

The NDP wants to invest in kids? They want to invest in government institutions to put them in! What money are you talking about, as I understand it you will pay money to put your kids in the sudsidized government daycares? If you chose not to and stay home for whatever reason and raise your kids, you get nothing? Correct me if that's not your parties stance

 

[GLG]

The NDP wants to invest in kids? They want to invest in government institutions to put them in! What money are you talking about, as I understand it you will pay money to put your kids in the sudsidized government daycares? If you chose not to and stay home for whatever reason and raise your kids, you get nothing? Correct me if that's not your parties stance

No they don't want to build institutions for the kids they want to give parents $15 per child so that parents pay a little less. Might just help startup a few neighborhood day cares and give a boost to the local economy. Not rocket science and we have all seen neighborhood day cares so this is nothing new. Heck I have one down the street that must have ten kids or less. Sure wish that was around when my kid was in one.

If you chose to stay home then you don't need day care now do you.

 

[terrin]

Something for nothing....or next to it.

The NDP mantra but we all pay for it in the end.

I still remember the last time they were in power and we are still paying for those fast ferries as well as all the other "free" programs they had.

You forgot the $450 Million Leaking Stadium Roof, the 1 Billion over budget Convention Center, the crumbling sea to sky retaining walls that need maintenance, the ice bombs on the Brand New Port Mann, 1 Billion in state of the art Hydro Meters and oh yea debt free B.C. by 2020 when we give our Natural Gas away for free and hardly any Local B.C. jobs to go with it. Who's paying for all that and the skyrocketing Hydro Rates?

 

[GLG]

Ideas for how to pay for child care.
Get a government to go after the tax cheats.
A couple years ago we found out through leaked emails how corporations were playing the tax avoidance game by using loop holes in the tax system. The Cons said they would do something but then they cut the budget to CRA so they had no resources to do anything. Wonder why? Perhaps the Cons backers would be the target. Regardless the Cons learned that lesson and went on to do this.
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