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Federal court dismisses B.C. First Nation's bid to block fish farm restocking
Published in todays Victoria Times Colonist
It gets really interesting when you read Justice Manson's ruling…
"Justice Michael Manson issued a 41-page decision on Friday agreeing there is a "real and non-speculative likelihood of harm" to the 'Namgis way of life from fish-borne disease, but he rejected an injunction on the transfer of the smolts because of its timing."
"Another hearing must consider the 'Namgis application for the judicial review of federal policy on the testing of Atlantic salmon for diseases that could be passed to Pacific salmon, Manson ruled."

http://www.timescolonist.com/federal-court-dismisses-b-c-first-nation-s-bid-to-block-fish-farm-restocking-1.23213280
http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancou...equest-to-stop-b-c-fish-farm-re-stocking.html
 
This is from
Stan Proboszcz With a M.Sc. in Biology and 10 years experience in the non-profit sector, Stan has a solid foundation in campaign strategy, particularly how it dovetails with science. He’s participated in negotiations with multi-national corporations, stakeholder consultations with all three levels of government, and Tier 1 and 2 discussions in support of First Nations—all in the name of habitat and salmon protection. He also spent several years working on the $37 million Cohen Commission into the Decline of Fraser Sockeye and subsequently led a call via the Auditor General of Canada to the Minister of Fisheries to implement the Inquiry recommendations.

"In January 2017, we heard the federal government gave a presentation to some First Nations friends, on potentially changing the law around salmon farms.
Bad legislation will likely hurt wild salmon, especially if the salmon farming industry is leading the charge on consultations with government. It’ll likely mean relaxed industry oversight, less monitoring, and growth of an industry that spews virus-ridden bloodwater into B.C. oceans.
After a year of asking the federal government about public consultations on new aquaculture laws, they finally met with us this week. They’ve kept this quiet until the last minute, probably because they know people in British Columbia are fed up with salmon farms right now.
But now, it seems they’re in a hurry to get input on how to move forward on new salmon farming laws from just a few NGOs before the end of June. This will allow them to check their consultation check-box, keep the salmon farming industry happy, but at the same time not alarm the masses of British Columbians who care about wild salmon.
With everything that’s happened with salmon farms on the West Coast, don’t you think the government should take more time for meetings with everyday British Columbians about potentially changing salmon farm laws?
Personally, I want salmon farms legislated right out of B.C. waters. It can be done. Just look at the recent ban on salmon farms that passed in Washington State.
We’d like to know what you think.
Do you think it’s important for the federal government to engage with British Columbians as soon as possible regarding changing the laws that govern salmon farms?
Yes or No"
https://www.watershed-watch.org/

https://watershed-watch.us8.list-ma...eae2f9&e=72b301a8fa&p=00e1f626d8&v=c5e45610ad
 
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Haha, I tried to vote no but was told I could only vote once ... wonder what happens when you vote yes?
 
Shutting down salmon farming would put us out of business

http://www.timescolonist.com/opinio...rming-would-put-us-out-of-business-1.23246490'

"The fact is, without salmon farming, our smoked-fish business would likely be forced to shut down, putting us and 75 employees out of work. More than half of our team consists of First Nations members. Founded in 1994, we are one of Port Hardy’s largest employers, growing from a backyard shed to a 24,000-square-foot facility today."

"About two-thirds of the 680,000 kilograms of fish we process every year is farmed salmon. The rest is sports-caught cod, halibut and salmon. The amount of sports-caught fish varies wildly with the seasons and health of the wild runs. Without the steady, reliable supply of fish from farms, we wouldn’t have the certainty needed to stay in business."
 
Shutting down salmon farming would put us out of business

http://www.timescolonist.com/opinio...rming-would-put-us-out-of-business-1.23246490'

"The fact is, without salmon farming, our smoked-fish business would likely be forced to shut down, putting us and 75 employees out of work. More than half of our team consists of First Nations members. Founded in 1994, we are one of Port Hardy’s largest employers, growing from a backyard shed to a 24,000-square-foot facility today."

"About two-thirds of the 680,000 kilograms of fish we process every year is farmed salmon. The rest is sports-caught cod, halibut and salmon. The amount of sports-caught fish varies wildly with the seasons and health of the wild runs. Without the steady, reliable supply of fish from farms, we wouldn’t have the certainty needed to stay in business."


maybe they should put their money where their mouth is, and their jobs, get in on a land based start up. smoke that.
 

Great radio interview!!
As stated, it does not get on topic until around one hour 15 minutes in...2/3rds along...I fast forwarded to it.
Really makes you sick...250 million plus spent in insurance money, so they now allow the industry to sell these fish with highly contagious (to other fish) virus and we are still throwing money at them!! (sorry, that’s old news)
Then there was the report that said "Fish Farm industry cannot survive without tax payer support"
It was also stated sick fish do not survive long in the wild, they get eaten.
Surprise surprise, could this be the answer to Bones on going question. "show me the dead fish"
A great radio interview worth listening to if you have the time....On and on it goes!!!!
AND if the radio interview was not enough to make you sick there is the news story that was published today talking about the obscene money being thrown at Cooke Agriculture, yes the same outfit who just got kicked out of Washington State.
It seems almost every week there is new news about Fish Farm disease and its impact on wild fish.
Can’t help but wonder what comes next.
 
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keep in mind, other examples of bail outs.......


350 million spent on dairy farmers........not even really a bail out or forgiveness just a program

-Agriculture Minister Lawrence MacAulay announced two programs worth $350 million for Canada's dairy sector Thursday, as his Liberal government tries to help farmers and processors adjust to new competition from foreign cheese imports under the Canada-EU trade deal.

-Why Canadian Dairy Won a Massive Subsidy Despite Falling Demand "Right away, Stephen Harper announced that his cabinet has approved a plan to spend a hefty $4.3 billion in compensation to soothe the vocal dairy industry. It would be another whole day before Harper announced the significantly lower $1 billion in compensation for the auto sector."

canadians bail out many farms across the country why not ocean farmers?
foggin do you have an answer yet?
 
Well if we are to seriously adopt the analogy of the dairy farm buy-outs as an equivalent strategy - then we should also responsibly adopt the anthrax tuberculosis, & brucellosis disease risk reduction strategies of separating bison and domesticated cattle by exclusion zones - which can't be accomplished using open net-cage technology in the ocean:
www.enr.gov.nt.ca/sites/enr/files/file_report_146_file_0.pdf
www.americanbisonsocietyonline.org/Portals/7/abs-wp3-web.pdf
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d9b5/013cd73fee7b920205a6308fb1ce772d1ed2.pdf
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Agent. Your logic on this is flawed and heres why. Apart from the fact that you are using diseases that are transmissible to humans that are very scary and I know that is your intention but the same scenario does not exist in salmon and human relationship. the fact that salmon in the ocean are consistently in contact with other salmon up and down the coast. Farm salmon Ranch salmon, wild salmon hatchery salmon. They all carry pathogens and they all come into contact with one another as groups and individuals randomly and what not. You cant compare the two. Its just not the same. Im surprised you cant see that. Anyway. Carry on. Someone out there believes you but that doesn't make it true.
 
My intention was to demonstrate that there are disease risk aversion strategies used for reducing wild/cultured stock interactions - and for good reasons - that can't accomplished using the open net-pen industry - since - as you confirmed - salmon swim (and water flows) - unlike the fenced terrestrial farmed cattle example.

So - your "dairy farm" analogy is therefore inaccurate and misleading.

Not all salmon (AKA naive hosts) carry novel, introduced pathogens - neither. But the sustained reductions in stock trajectories are commonly associated with introduced pathogenic organisms - such as Oweekeno and Cultus stocks. Introduced pathogens from Norway/Europe - with the only plausible source being Norwegian FFs.
 
My intention was to demonstrate that there are disease risk aversion strategies used for reducing wild/cultured stock interactions - and for good reasons

None of which exist naturally or with salmon enhancement, and salmon ranching. You fail to include salmon ranching and hatchery production where high density fish with pathogens are also released into the environment to cross contaminate with all the other salmon in the pacific ocean. Its actually somewhat honest that you used the word "plausible" when describing viral sources being from Norway. However plausible is not factual. It is becoming apparent that due to such wide and varied fish introductions around the world it is very difficult to tell the origins of pathogens. If you were honestly concerned you would stick to the facts about the viruses themselves instead of pushing a narrative of blame on Norway or what ever suites your arguments at that moment.
 
Im not sure why we are having the bailout discussion again. It has been uncontested that other farming practices get bailed out far more than any salmon farms and it seems to be mostly the atlantic coast salmon farms seeing the majority of the compensation. On top of that oil, and forestry compensation makes all farming bailouts seem pretty minimal. To summarize salmon farm bailouts are quite minimal. My biggest point being Im not sure why we are discussing this again!
 
Wednesday, 4 April 2018
Stinging Indictment of Farmed Salmon as Food - Dr. Mercola
"If you’re aware of the health benefits of animal-based omega-3 fats and the fact that salmon is a great source, you may be shocked to discover that farmed salmon has more in common with junk food than health food. This is the grim reality revealed in Nicolas Daniel’s documentary “Fillet-Oh-Fish,” which includes exclusive footage from fish farms and factories across the globe."
Here is Dr. Mercola's summary of his article:
Story at-a-glance
· Salmon farming is a disaster both for the environment and for human health, and tests show farmed salmon is about five times more toxic than any other food tested
· In animal feeding studies, mice fed farmed salmon developed obesity and diabetes — effects researchers believe are related to toxic exposures
· Besides pesticides and antibiotics used in fish farming, the most significant source of toxic exposure is the dry pellet feed, which contains dioxins, PCBs and other toxic pollutants
· PCB concentrations in farmed salmon are, on average, eight times higher than in wild salmon
· Farmed salmon also does not have the nutritional profile of wild salmon, containing more than 5.5 times more omega-6 fat than wild salmon, which further skews rather than corrects most people’s omega-3 to omega-6 ratio.
A quote on the sewage: "Below the salmon farms dotted across the Norwegian fjords is a layer of waste some 15 meters (49.2 feet) deep."
One of the videos on the site shows that you can actually squeeze the oil out of farmed fish, and frying wild and farmed reveals that farmed fish has several more multiples of fat.
Quote: "Farmed salmon suffer less visible but equally disturbing mutations. The flesh of the farmed salmon is oddly brittle and breaks apart when bent — a highly abnormal feature. The nutritional content is also wildly abnormal. Wild salmon contain about 5 to 7 percent fat, whereas the farmed variety can contain anywhere from 14.5 to 34 percent. For a visual demonstration of this difference in fat content, check out the video above"
The fat is from the feed, particularly fish meal and fish oil, which is where the cancer-causing chemicals arrive from as well.
Quote: "Farmed and Dangerous9 provides an example of a salmon feed label, and the ingredients are very telling in terms of where these excess omega-6 fats are coming from. The first nine ingredients in Skretting’s “Winter Plus 3500″ salmon feed are poultry meal, fish meal, poultry fat, fish oil, whole wheat, soybean meal, corn gluten meal, feather meal and rapeseed oil. These are all ingredients that no wild salmon has ever encountered and is about as far from a species-appropriate diet as you can get."
Note that farmed fish are fed chicken feathers. I asked EWOS six times whether their feed contained feces, and got no response. If I were a feed manufacturer, I would want to clear up that my product contained no feces. Not EWOS. Sure leads one to think that EWOS puts feces in its fish feed.
After all, many fish farm operations around the world regularly use feces as feed. For example, tropical ones where a hog farm is built on a hill beside a pond and the hog feces are shoveled into the pond for the fish. Once the pond is full of fish feces, it is taken out and placed on the hog hill for them to eat. And so on.
Feces in farmed fish feed: 1. http://www.purezing.com/living/food_articles/living_articles_7salmon.htm. And, 2. http://www.eatthis.com/shocking-facts-about-farmed-salmon/. And, 3. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/01/12/what-do-fish-farms-use-for-feed.aspx. And, 4. https://www.naturalnews.com/037576_farmed_seafood_animal_feces_China.html.
Google this to get a long list of articles on feces in farmed fish feed: https://www.bing.com/search?q=feces+in+farmed+fish+feed&pc=MOZD&form=MOZLBR.
Mercola also goes on to point out what poor nutrition you get from farmed salmon versus wild salmon: "In a global assessment of farmed salmon published in the January 2004 issue of Science,2 13 persistent organic pollutants were found. Farmed salmon also does not have the nutritional profile of wild salmon. Rather than being a wonderful source of much-needed omega-3 fats, farmed salmon contains far more omega-6 than omega-3, which can have deleterious health ramifications, seeing how most people are deficient in omega-3 while getting far more omega-6 than they need."
Note that this study is the Hites et al one in Science, Jan 9, 2004, that the fish farm industry, government, paid science, fake website, including in BC, etc. mounted a smear campaign to wipe out the science even though it was true. You will recall that is where I decided never to believe anything fish farms say, until I ground proof it. The David Miller article on this is here: https://fishfarmnews.blogspot.ca/2011/10/key-document-fish-farm-tactics.html.
Just how bad is farmed salmon? "Overall, farmed salmon are five times more toxic than any other food tested."
One of the big secrets in fish feed is that ethoxyquin is added. If you want to read just how bad ethoxyquin feed is, hit this link: https://www.bing.com/search?q=ethoxyquin+-+fish+feed&pc=MOZD&form=MOZLBR. The articles go on and on.
Ethoxyquin is a pesticide! "Ethoxyquin was developed as a pesticide by Monsanto in the 1950s. Its use is strictly regulated on fruits, vegetables and in meat, but not in fish, because it was never intended for such use."
Ethoxyquin is an antioxidant, but it is also used because without it, fish feed may explode in transit. Yes, folks, it's hard to make this stuff up, but brought to you by fish farms (you will remember that BC fish farms use Hill and Knowlton, the PR people who taught tobacco CEOs not to know their products caused cancer).
And how bad is this pesticide on humans? We're not completely sure because, "the effects of this chemical on human health have never been established. The one and only study ever done on ethoxyquin and human health was a thesis by Victoria Bohne, a former researcher in Norway who made a number of disturbing discoveries, including the fact that ethoxyquin can cross the blood brain barrier and may have carcinogenic effects. Bohne was pressured to leave her research job after attempts were made to falsify and downplay her findings."
You will recall the post I did that has about 20 scientists who have been harassed and had ruined careers because fish farm companies go after them: https://fishfarmnews.blogspot.ca/2017/06/scientists-harassed-by-fish-farms.html. It really is this bad.
 
imagine what the prisoners and people in institutions would have to say about being fed this crap.
 
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