Sky rocketing fuel prices

Still cheap compared to Europe. petrol prices in France, Germany and England are in the 1.35-1.50 Euro range, which is in the Ball park of $2.25/L Cdn ... or nearly double what our (BC Interior) recent pricing was.

Cheers!

Ukee
 
I think the anit pipeline protesters are less inclined to protest if the Pipeline was to refine oil in situ.

They are protecting the marine environment foremost. I tend to think Alberta should be keeping the Oil in North America instead of fueling a Communist powerhouse which will get cheap fuel and tons of refinery jobs. Pro pipeline is a lot of risk for no reward.

Working in resources I watched raw lumber sail across the ocean, raw mining ore sent to china for processing, and now raw oil wants to be sent overseas....develop high tech. mills, upgrade the smelters and build refineries.

my 2 cents.
 
I’ve got a good friend on this site who’s a licensed guide and he’s not taking any reservations this year at all. Nothing to do with fuel costs and everything to do with the uncertainty of the fishing regs. I’m not gonna out him but maybe he’ll chime in.
Seems like a pretty big knee jerk reaction to something that hasn't even happened yet. As far as im concerned its business as usual until im told otherwise by dfo.
 
Seems like a pretty big knee jerk reaction to something that hasn't even happened yet. As far as im concerned its business as usual until im told otherwise by dfo.

Maybe? Maybe not? He explained it to me but I’m not at liberty to put his business out there for all to see. But I will say if he says it’s cuz of DFO and their mismanagement I’ll have to go with that.
 
It's quite amazing to me to see Washington st. support Horgan on the anti pipeline stance. Washington St is the 5th largest refining state in the USA, however they don't produce much crude at all. so where you may ask does all that crude they refine come from? well folks the majority of it comes from Alaska by tanker, yup right down our BC coast, how about that. but those yankee bastards want yo think their motives are all about the environment. nope it's all about them being able to buy our oil at massive discounts because we can't get enough of it to tidewater.

and how about Horgan and the greenies thinking they are trying to protect our environment. well stop kinder morgan and watch the crude by rail explode snaking down the Thompson and Fraser all the way to the terminal (this has already been increasing), now how environmentally friendly is that, how much damage would a few burst open tankers in the fraser do to our fisheries and how the hell would you clean that mess up.

ok back to topic on gas prices, of course there is some collusion etc on pricing but imho it is not the main reason. there are many, bc had to be the 1st to implement the carbon tax way ahead of other provinces, so now it will be implemented everywhere, so do we wait for them to catch up to our c tax, nope, we're gonna raise ours so we make sure we pay more than our fair share of c tax. how bout our vancouver mayor bike boy, who's paying for all these bike lanes etc, it sure ain't the bikers .how about the transit tax to cover all financial f ups transit has committed over the years (you think dfo is bad, these guys make them look genius) . in all there are about 6 or 7 different taxes on our gas in bc depending where you live.
 
Comments from Mayor of Fort St. John, B.C....

“If you want to do something about our reliance on fossil fuels then address the demand for them not the transportation of them.”

By Lori Ackerman, Mayor of the City of Fort St. John, British Columbia

Dear British Columbia Citizens,

That is not a current headline but it could be. What would happen to our economy if it was? I would like to talk to you about energy, pipelines and our natural resources. I am a mum and a grandma and I have lived in the north all my life.

I am also the Mayor of Fort St. John – right smack in the middle of one of the world’s largest supplies of oil and gas. I live in a region surrounded by pipelines, wells, hydraulic fracturing (fracking) sites and canola and wheat fields. I have eaten the food we grow here and I drink our water. I understand what it takes to extract our natural resources and what it takes to protect our environment. I live it.

I don’t want to try to convince you of anything but I would like to share with you what I know to be true. I strongly encourage you to do some of your own research. Learn more than what you read in a tweet or a Facebook post. I have added some links to reliable resources below for you.

Where does the petroleum we all use every day come from? Canada has some of the largest petroleum resources in the world and yet Canada imports 634,000 barrels of crude oil from foreign countries every single day. That is $26 BILLION of oil imports every year that we could have supplied to ourselves. That product arrives in tankers and is transported to where it needs to go by truck and train right through our communities. And yet we don’t want our own product to flow in pipelines to our communities for our own use or to our ports so we can export it? That just makes no sense at all to me.

So let’s talk about pipelines. I know pipelines are a safe, cost-efficient means of oil and natural gas transportation and emit fewer greenhouse gases than alternate transportation methods. Canada has 830,000 kilometers of pipelines. Three million barrels of crude oil is transported safely every single day.

B.C. has over 43,000 kilometers of pipelines. If we took that oil out of the pipelines, we would need 4,200 rail cars to move it. How many of those cars would you like rolling through your community? Between 2002 and 2015, 99.9995% of liquid was transported through our pipelines SAFELY. You probably spill more when you fill up at the gas station.

I understand you don’t want tankers floating down our beautiful B.C. coast. But did you know the USA has been shipping up to 600,000 barrels a day of crude from Alaska to the Puget Sound through the Salish Sea for the last 20 years? Did you know that B.C. has a Tanker Exclusion Zone that has been respected for years?

That zone stipulates that full tankers must travel on the west side of the zone but those that are not transporting goods can stay inside the protective zone. Other than one natural gas pipeline, Vancouver Island receives all of their petroleum by barge every day. I don’t remember ever hearing anyone complain about that.

According to Transport Canada over 197,000 vessels arrived or departed from west coast ports in 2015 – 1487 of them were tankers. 400,000 barrels of crude oil is safely transported off the B.C. coast every single day. Sooo…. I think we are OK there. Emissions? 80% of the emissions associated with fossil fuels are generated in their combustion – not their extraction and transportation.

If you want to do something about our reliance on fossil fuels then address the demand for them not the transportation of them. Change starts with consumers not industry.

A large part of the demand for fossil fuels in B.C. is transportation. 33% of our fossil fuels are used to operate cars, trucks, planes, trains and ferries. If we switched all of that over to electricity we would need not just one Site C dam but 15 of them. Which communities do you want to flood to provide the energy for your electric cars? Remember I live 7 km from Site C dam so I have a pretty good understanding of them.

I love this quote from Blair King an Environmental Scientist and Writer: “We live in a world where all the work we do to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions in B.C. can be undone with the flick of a pen in China or India. No matter what we do, those developing countries are going to get electrical power to their populations – if not with LNG, then with coal; and if not with B.C. LNG, then with lower intensity (read: dirtier) LNG from one of our competitors. In both cases the end result is higher global GHG emissions than if B.C. LNG was used.”

He is telling us to look outside our province and see the impact we can have on GHG on our planet. Our LNG is cleaner than the stuff already on the market because our regulations are tougher and we emit far less GHG in our production than in other countries.

Our natural gas industry is committed to continuous improvement. I understand that you are concerned about safety. I am too. In Canada we have some of the strictest safety requirements in the world. Canada’s oil and gas producers are continuously improving the safety of their operations and transportation of their products.

Emergency Response Plans are customized for each community, covering key areas such as public safety, protection of community infrastructure, and a clear plan of action with local emergency responders. And we have the B.C. Oil and Gas Commission to oversee B.C. projects and the National Energy Board oversees the larger multi-jurisdictional projects.

The Oil and Gas Commission is our provincial agency responsible for regulating oil and gas activities in British Columbia, including exploration, development, pipeline transportation and reclamation.

Core responsibilities include reviewing and assessing applications for proposed industry activities, engaging with First Nations, cooperating with partner agencies, and ensuring industry complies with provincial legislation and all regulatory requirements. International delegations come to B.C., as world leaders, to learn how we have partnered environmental protection with resource extraction. I think the Oil and Gas Commission does a good job of protecting the interests of citizens.

Many of you have concerns about the rights of our Indigenous Peoples. I will not speak for them but I will provide you with a quote from Stephen Buffalo, president and CEO of the Indian Resource Council: “I think industry is now willing to be a partner (with First Nations). They want to come with the First Nations together. We are depending on these pipelines for the success of the Canadian economy.”

So let’s talk about the economy. B.C.’s energy sector offers some of the largest provincial economic opportunities in a generation. It is estimated that, in 2010, 11.2% of the provincial exports came from the natural resource sector. That was over $21 billion worth.

Canada’s oil and natural gas sector contributes $1.5 billion to the provincial government but it is estimated that it could go as high as $2.4 billion per year. This is money for health care, education and infrastructure. The resource sector is the foundational stone upon which the B.C. economy was built, and it is as important today as ever. 440,000 Canadians are employed because of the oil and gas sector.

A recent study by Philip Cross, former chief economic analyst at Statistics Canada, shows the huge economic value of the natural resource industry in B.C., and in particular the Lower Mainland. Cross’ report demonstrates that over 55 percent of resource-related jobs and income (direct, indirect and induced) flow to the Lower Mainland.

This means those workers contribute to our economy by renting or buying homes, buying groceries, enjoying a quality life and shopping their local businesses. Let’s lead the world in resource extraction, continuous improvements and long term planning. Let’s be leaders in reliable and renewable energy development.

Let’s support Canadian industry and stop buying foreign oil. Let’s grow our economy by meeting our domestic needs and exporting our abundant resources. Let’s live well now and in the future.

Thank you for taking the time to be an informed citizen.



----- End forwarded message -----
 
I agree with Reel Time. We are always sending raw products overseas to be turned into a finished product. In the case of coal and oil they have no environmental standards over in China and the **** they emit into the atmosphere drifts eastward and drops on BC as acid rain. I'm not against oil just shipping it back and forth across an ocean to save a buck and polluting the air we all breath in the process.
 
Back to OP's original question...

Who’s looking forward to see $2.oo a litre for fuel this summer? Already rethinking my entire fishing season
If prices keep jumping up like they have in the last month, won’t be making too many offshore trips!

For me, it does not affect boat gas as much as traveling gas for the truck. I like to get away and up to the northern lakes for some still water fishing but these gas prices - if they stick, will put a damper in this summer's plans.
 
Still cheap compared to Europe. petrol prices in France, Germany and England are in the 1.35-1.50 Euro range, which is in the Ball park of $2.25/L Cdn ... or nearly double what our (BC Interior) recent pricing was.

Cheers!

Ukee
About 1.65 euros per litre in Rome and Naples this week. No one spends what we do in fuel costs. Have not seen a single F-150 here in two huge cities. There are 6 on my block at home. Subways, trains, busses, lots of walking!! Scooters and tiny cars mostly for those that like to fight over parking.
By going back in time to a 1977 (the powdered milk and hand me down bike era) seaworthy skiff with a small motor, I am ahead of the curve. 45 litres to big bank and back small, so still less than 100 bucks per day if it goes to $2.00 per litre.
Some may want to consider my strategy. Keep fishing costs down, let the wife drag me wherever she wants on vacation, and fish any day I want without exception for 30 something years.
 
Marine is $1.50/litre now in Masset

Ouch!! I will be filling up my. It's this summer there. My slip tank won't lastvtgat long..
 
About 1.65 euros per litre in Rome and Naples this week. No one spends what we do in fuel costs. Have not seen a single F-150 here in two huge cities. There are 6 on my block at home. Subways, trains, busses, lots of walking!! Scooters and tiny cars mostly for those that like to fight over parking.
By going back in time to a 1977 (the powdered milk and hand me down bike era) seaworthy skiff with a small motor, I am ahead of the curve. 45 litres to big bank and back small, so still less than 100 bucks per day if it goes to $2.00 per litre.
Some may want to consider my strategy. Keep fishing costs down, let the wife drag me wherever she wants on vacation, and fish any day I want without exception for 30 something years.

Probably going to start seeing more of that.. The C-Dory comes to mind..
 
Comments from Mayor of Fort St. John, B.C....

“If you want to do something about our reliance on fossil fuels then address the demand for them not the transportation of them.”

By Lori Ackerman, Mayor of the City of Fort St. John, British Columbia

Dear British Columbia Citizens,

That is not a current headline but it could be. What would happen to our economy if it was? I would like to talk to you about energy, pipelines and our natural resources. I am a mum and a grandma and I have lived in the north all my life.

I am also the Mayor of Fort St. John – right smack in the middle of one of the world’s largest supplies of oil and gas. I live in a region surrounded by pipelines, wells, hydraulic fracturing (fracking) sites and canola and wheat fields. I have eaten the food we grow here and I drink our water. I understand what it takes to extract our natural resources and what it takes to protect our environment. I live it.

I don’t want to try to convince you of anything but I would like to share with you what I know to be true. I strongly encourage you to do some of your own research. Learn more than what you read in a tweet or a Facebook post. I have added some links to reliable resources below for you.

Where does the petroleum we all use every day come from? Canada has some of the largest petroleum resources in the world and yet Canada imports 634,000 barrels of crude oil from foreign countries every single day. That is $26 BILLION of oil imports every year that we could have supplied to ourselves. That product arrives in tankers and is transported to where it needs to go by truck and train right through our communities. And yet we don’t want our own product to flow in pipelines to our communities for our own use or to our ports so we can export it? That just makes no sense at all to me.

So let’s talk about pipelines. I know pipelines are a safe, cost-efficient means of oil and natural gas transportation and emit fewer greenhouse gases than alternate transportation methods. Canada has 830,000 kilometers of pipelines. Three million barrels of crude oil is transported safely every single day.

B.C. has over 43,000 kilometers of pipelines. If we took that oil out of the pipelines, we would need 4,200 rail cars to move it. How many of those cars would you like rolling through your community? Between 2002 and 2015, 99.9995% of liquid was transported through our pipelines SAFELY. You probably spill more when you fill up at the gas station.

I understand you don’t want tankers floating down our beautiful B.C. coast. But did you know the USA has been shipping up to 600,000 barrels a day of crude from Alaska to the Puget Sound through the Salish Sea for the last 20 years? Did you know that B.C. has a Tanker Exclusion Zone that has been respected for years?

That zone stipulates that full tankers must travel on the west side of the zone but those that are not transporting goods can stay inside the protective zone. Other than one natural gas pipeline, Vancouver Island receives all of their petroleum by barge every day. I don’t remember ever hearing anyone complain about that.

According to Transport Canada over 197,000 vessels arrived or departed from west coast ports in 2015 – 1487 of them were tankers. 400,000 barrels of crude oil is safely transported off the B.C. coast every single day. Sooo…. I think we are OK there. Emissions? 80% of the emissions associated with fossil fuels are generated in their combustion – not their extraction and transportation.

If you want to do something about our reliance on fossil fuels then address the demand for them not the transportation of them. Change starts with consumers not industry.

A large part of the demand for fossil fuels in B.C. is transportation. 33% of our fossil fuels are used to operate cars, trucks, planes, trains and ferries. If we switched all of that over to electricity we would need not just one Site C dam but 15 of them. Which communities do you want to flood to provide the energy for your electric cars? Remember I live 7 km from Site C dam so I have a pretty good understanding of them.

I love this quote from Blair King an Environmental Scientist and Writer: “We live in a world where all the work we do to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions in B.C. can be undone with the flick of a pen in China or India. No matter what we do, those developing countries are going to get electrical power to their populations – if not with LNG, then with coal; and if not with B.C. LNG, then with lower intensity (read: dirtier) LNG from one of our competitors. In both cases the end result is higher global GHG emissions than if B.C. LNG was used.”

He is telling us to look outside our province and see the impact we can have on GHG on our planet. Our LNG is cleaner than the stuff already on the market because our regulations are tougher and we emit far less GHG in our production than in other countries.

Our natural gas industry is committed to continuous improvement. I understand that you are concerned about safety. I am too. In Canada we have some of the strictest safety requirements in the world. Canada’s oil and gas producers are continuously improving the safety of their operations and transportation of their products.

Emergency Response Plans are customized for each community, covering key areas such as public safety, protection of community infrastructure, and a clear plan of action with local emergency responders. And we have the B.C. Oil and Gas Commission to oversee B.C. projects and the National Energy Board oversees the larger multi-jurisdictional projects.

The Oil and Gas Commission is our provincial agency responsible for regulating oil and gas activities in British Columbia, including exploration, development, pipeline transportation and reclamation.

Core responsibilities include reviewing and assessing applications for proposed industry activities, engaging with First Nations, cooperating with partner agencies, and ensuring industry complies with provincial legislation and all regulatory requirements. International delegations come to B.C., as world leaders, to learn how we have partnered environmental protection with resource extraction. I think the Oil and Gas Commission does a good job of protecting the interests of citizens.

Many of you have concerns about the rights of our Indigenous Peoples. I will not speak for them but I will provide you with a quote from Stephen Buffalo, president and CEO of the Indian Resource Council: “I think industry is now willing to be a partner (with First Nations). They want to come with the First Nations together. We are depending on these pipelines for the success of the Canadian economy.”

So let’s talk about the economy. B.C.’s energy sector offers some of the largest provincial economic opportunities in a generation. It is estimated that, in 2010, 11.2% of the provincial exports came from the natural resource sector. That was over $21 billion worth.

Canada’s oil and natural gas sector contributes $1.5 billion to the provincial government but it is estimated that it could go as high as $2.4 billion per year. This is money for health care, education and infrastructure. The resource sector is the foundational stone upon which the B.C. economy was built, and it is as important today as ever. 440,000 Canadians are employed because of the oil and gas sector.

A recent study by Philip Cross, former chief economic analyst at Statistics Canada, shows the huge economic value of the natural resource industry in B.C., and in particular the Lower Mainland. Cross’ report demonstrates that over 55 percent of resource-related jobs and income (direct, indirect and induced) flow to the Lower Mainland.

This means those workers contribute to our economy by renting or buying homes, buying groceries, enjoying a quality life and shopping their local businesses. Let’s lead the world in resource extraction, continuous improvements and long term planning. Let’s be leaders in reliable and renewable energy development.

Let’s support Canadian industry and stop buying foreign oil. Let’s grow our economy by meeting our domestic needs and exporting our abundant resources. Let’s live well now and in the future.

Thank you for taking the time to be an informed citizen.



----- End forwarded message -----


Yes yes we know honey, we all remember Exxon and will for another 100 years or more.

Cheers
 
Sad fact is that prices are going nowhere but up. We all worked hard ,paid into pensions that may not pay back or will be frozen at least. The people we have elected to control these things have no interest in our interests. Sadly they are there only for their own interests. For proof just check out their benefits tab after they are elected.
As humans we are very innovative but I fear that our innovations have not done well for the environment. Groups are vilified for damage done. We forget to check our own back yard. While trying to protect water from oil damage we are busy building pipelines to pump sewage to our pristine waterways. Fact is we have done more damage by this than we have done by oil.
Wish I had a solution but I do not. I have lived for forty years and worked in the Oilsands felt the fingers pointed at me and stood up to it and proud of it. I would rather see our processed products be shipped out than just the crude itself. I have never really agreed with shipping it out.
What I would like to say in my rant is that we should be able to find a cleaner way of using the product and provide ourselves as Canadians with a decently priced made at home product.
 
Prices right now are about $1.00 an imperial gallon more than last summer. I burn about 10 gallons on average for each half day trip I do. Do I put on a surcharge/raise rates or take a $1000 hit for every 100 charters I do? Guess I have to think about it.
 
Prices right now are about $1.00 an imperial gallon more than last summer. I burn about 10 gallons on average for each half day trip I do. Do I put on a surcharge/raise rates or take a $1000 hit for every 100 charters I do? Guess I have to think about it.

You have to pass it on to your customers, unless your doing it for the love of the game.
 
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