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[snowwhite]

I Herd that we as of FishingGuides are going to need. As of May1 The MarineAdvancedFirstAid Level1. And the SVOP by Nov1. Can anyone comfirm. Thanks Snowwhite

[Tailspin]

Who's Transport Canada? They still around?[:o)]

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[The Fog Ducker]

I just completed my " MED A3" doing my SVOP in 2 weeks , I will ask my instructor on Sunday , VHF Course ( Radio Operator's Card ), cheers , FD....:)

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[LastChance]

Far as I know, no req for marine first aid.

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[Tips Up]

Last I heard the requirement was MED3 and Radio Operator Card. This is what I was told last year when I took these courses.
Can anyone confirm this?

I know some lodges require more but that is a company policy.

Thanks,
Tips

[Sitkaspruce]

Completed my MED3 and SVOP last month. Pretty straight forward course, but the instructor was very set in his ways about how things are to be done.

Cheers

SS

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[richmake]

I've done all the courses and the inspections for the vessel.
I could go on and on about how the process is flawed but we have heard it all before...
The real truth is that Transport Canada really has no clear juristiction in our business and your insurance is what needs to be looked after properly...
I still can't believe that independant operaters such as I have to go through such a process/requirments but the larger outfits/lodges can still charge people huge money and let them run around un-guided in small tin/fiberglass boats with no experience what so ever, and that somehow seems o.k.
The process is flawed beyond belief...

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[The Fish Assassin]

Time to clean it all up into 1 guide licence?

Take only what you need.

[LastChance]

Probably a good idea to license guides. It would certainly thin the herd a little bit, and is the norm most places. Have a limited number of guides, have each guy licensed to guide a certain place, and call it good. BEsides, it would make your guiding business worth something once you are ready to sell, as I understand in Washington the only way to become a saltwater guide is to buy a guys biz.

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[Nimo]

IO bet Jimmy P or Oak Bay Marine group would love that. The guide industry does not need more consolidation any more than it needs more regulation. The little guys have historicaly provided the necessary capacity for the overflow time, ie July and August, and are necessary to both the industry and the recreational economy.

I'm not in favour of licensing saltwater guides, but if a rumour starts I'll be the second one to get out there and sign up, and restart a small guide operation. Don't forget, you're not commercial fishing, you're providing a platform from which sporties can access the fish. Right?

I'll add that when we talk of licensing guides and making it so that the only way we can guide is to buy a license from another guide, we are setting up yet another self-indulged preferred user group. This is not the way I would see "our" recreational fishery going.

"BEsides, it would make your guiding business worth something once you are ready to sell."

Doesn't that sound a little like the halibut quota?

[Island Fish Lifter]

I agree with richmake in the way that he believes that a guide licence well get rid of the riff raff, this is what I thought the TC inspection would do. As it turns out, every time I turn around, theyve changed one or more requirements.
This is what Ive decided to do... continue to do what Ive been doing until they actually come to me and tell me I need to do something. Until then, if I can get insurance, Im gonna continue to do what I love to do.

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[Duffer]

Ive been fishing the Island for twenty years my boys have been guiding for different lodges the past few years so going against everyones advice I decided to jump in and buy the boat I need in Nov 08 to get started guiding atleast part time any how. I took the Med Course a couple of years ago. So I talk to Transport Canada and get the process going started up all the paperwork even sent my 50 bucks to the Feds for my Commercial #s I noticed weeks ago the check came out no problem. Faxed Nanaimo with all the info they wanted for this friggin sticker inspection in Dec 08. I havent heard nothin back from any of them is this all a sham or what. I have a few friends guiding independtly and I hear different info from all of them. I just want to get it started up and like alot of you guys I dont think were in it for the money because we wouldnt be doing it. Im hoping to get a buisness going have some fun and hard days and maybe one day one of the boys can jump in. Thats all. But this Transport Canada stuff really makes me wonder if its worth it!

[wolf]

It would be great if they knew what they were doing but one guy for the whole south Is doesnt cut it it seems every time I call you get a different story???Had dot pulll me over on the ocean and slammed him with multiple questions he had NO clue and he couldnt answer any of my concerns or questions.

Liscencing aint going to do squat all it will do is create a black market of people taking "friends" out which will untimatlly hurt the industry for one whos going to police it ??? they cant even put fisheries officers out now???

How the herd is going to get thinned is if there is too many it will be the doom for others is poor service companies come and go if you dont produce and are not good with customers it doesnt matter if it fishing or running a restaurant you dont get people back.
Bottom line look at how many times you see a restaurant fold its a revolving door sometimes it all comes down to HOW someone runs there business.PLAIN AND SIMPLE

Wolf

[The Fish Assassin]

That might be true Wolf, but it would simply be up to the guests if they want to book with a "licenced" guide or not. I wasn't thinking of a licence to fish, but IMHO more of a licence that covers everything that is required by the Government, Navigation/ small boaters/ radio handling/ first Aid. All under one licence. Most of us have these anyways, so I don't think there would be anything new, just tidy things up a bit and get all of the different government departments on the same page. As for who would enforce it. What's there to enforce? Either you are a licenced guide or your not.


In Alaska these are the requirements to get a photo ID guide card:
•A guide must have a current Alaska Sport Fish License (and a king salmon stamp if applicable).
•A current U.S.C.G. Operator's license if operating a motorized vessel on navigable waters. Determination of navigable waters is made by the U.S. Coast Guard.
•Current first aid card.
•Be a resident of the United States, Canada, Mexico or a resident alien.


I think I will get one.. just for the hell of it..:D
Take only what you need.

[wolf]

HOW many courses do I need REALLY if it was for good then Yes im all for it but it seems more of a cash grab, all we are doing is taking people out fishing PERIOD its not like we are doing open heart surgery!!!!!Whens the last time you had to deploy a life raft off of your boat or get ready for a helicopter rescue or my favorite lets talk about HALON on our boat for 3 hours as its been banned now since the 60s but lets have training on it, if these courses were pertaining to WHAT we accually do and not going over stuff that really is a waste of time.

You say

quote: IMHO more of a licence that covers everything that is required by the Government, Navigation/ small boaters/ radio handling/ first Aid. All under one licence.

Hey thats sounds great but how about EVERYONE that goes out and OWNS a boat???bet you the sportfisherman and weekend warriors wont like it at all as they only go out a about 20 times a year

Ill use some examples at my marina there is about at most 8 guide boats and 4 of them run full time but there is close to 130 to 150 pleasure boats and on any given weekend be it SS or Cheanuh there is I bet close to 100 weekend day launchers going out.

It is blowing like hell us charter guys dont go as there is 6 to 8 footers out there and we cancel but not joe in his 15 foot runabout with a old chrysler engine off he goes AFTER we warn him along with another 20 "pleasure" boaters. to get the snot beat out of them and I know why they go because thats the only time but the point is is risking your life and the possability of killing ones self!!!!! really is it worth it for a STUPID FISH

So what good is all these regs if people are endangering themselves and nothing is pertaining to what we do????

Couple years ago witnessed 3 boats in one week sink and not one of them were charter guys I know one of them didnt even have a bilge as it "broke" a couple of weeks prior and "didnt" have the time to fix it
But hey i got the cousres to uuuuummmm know we cant use Halon on boats anymore and hey ill help you ill rescue you ill deploy my life raft for you oh yeah sorry I dont have one of them [u]because im NOT required too</u>


ITS ALL A CROCK

Wolf

[snowwhite]

Thanks for the replies guys.We will haft to wait and see what happens. But i think its starting to turn in to a joke with transportcanada?

[Island Fish Lifter]

"ITS ALL A CROCK"

Agreed......


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[wolf]

First off ill say Im sorry for may rant this am I am just getting fed up with reg changes haliquota, chinook restrictions DFO, and all this stuff when is enough enough?????? it really starting to wear thin.
I think Im just plain wore out by it all.

Sorry

Wolf

[IronNoggin]

No need to be "sorry" whatsoever Wolf. Pretty well everyone in the know believes this to be a waste of time as far as any practical application goes. And most sincerely believe this is simply a Cash-Grab that will have little, if [u]any</u> positive influence on the few bad actors out there. Unfortunately the rest of us law-abiders continue to roll with the punches. [V]

All in all, it IS a Crock. But then again, it is the Feds... [B)]

Cheers,
Nog - Also Jumpin' Through Da Hoops...

[SerengetiGuide]

Got my Limited Masters last May, put all the needed safety equip on boats...but then we sent all the appropriate forms and pictures of the boat for C number and what not to TC and still have not heard back...kind of ridiculous...will probably send again next month...but if they don't reply to that one...well screw them to be quite frank.

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[searun]

Don't expect TC to come and inspect your boat any time soon. I have 2 boats, one was inspected when the program launched, the other I was told when I went in to Nanaimo to complete all my C number registration will not happen for 2 years. There are over 200 other guys on the inspection list and only one inspector...you do the math. I was told that because I have been through the inspection process and have been completing the annual inspections I will likely be on the wait list for a long time. They are in essence relying upon self inspection and self compliance. Part of the SVOP course is to help each operator complete the inspection based on a knowledge of commercial vessel general safety.

At the moment the program requires each operator to hold a C license, plus SVOP (Nov 1/09), MED A3 and VHF operators card. You are required to have all these documents plus your C license registration available for inspection on the water. Failure will result in fines. I didn't believe they would enforce this, but I did see 2 fellow guides get fined at Browns Bay in October.

I asked the TC guys if they are planning enforcement anytime soon, telling them the whole program was viewed by the guides as a huge joke. I also told them anyone who has spent the cash to make their boat comply is being looked upon as a fool etc. What they told me is not to worry, we will see surprise inspections this coming summer on the water and in the home ports.

So, I guess we will have to wait and see if in fact they back up the program with enforcement. I for one would not recommend anyone who charters to ignore the requirements. For the most part, the safety modifications make sense and are intended to make your vessel as safe as possible.

I think as reputable operators, we should be complying because it makes good business sense and we can say to our customers with confidence our boats and training are good. After all, what good is catching fish and having fun if you don't return home safely.

[Tailspin]

200 boat waitlist, that's a big list! I am glad had my inspection done last Spring.


I had my C# documentation in about two months and the inspection was quick and painless for the most part, as i had it all ready to go. Haul out for through hulls, back in for the STAB test, fuel shutoffs, navlights, saftey gear, Med, First Aid certs ROC etc, electronics etc. It can be a gong show if your not all organized.

I was stopped by RCMP Marine Unit off Vic last season and in Mill Bay while prawning, they went through everything ensuring compliance. If you don't have the stuff you must at least prove you are attempting or waiting in limbo for it. If not, they will escort you and your guests back in. Or you could risk it and just go undercover with no Decals[?]



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[searun]

Your right, the inspection is a breeze if you are organized and have all your equipment - I did mine with 8 other boats on the same day and for the guys who had no clue they landed up with a long list of compliance write up's. Like you my C license on the new boat took about 6 weeks. I was sure surprised by the length of the inspection list - I guess George is off sick so that leaves only one inspector for the entire province. Unless they hire someone soon, it will be a long time before anyone gets an inspection.

[SerengetiGuide]

What really "grinds me gears" is the Queen Charlotte big lodges...even chartered boats all have their BC numbers instead of C numbers...just take a look in their photo galleries...if you are going to do it for one...do it for all...

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[Sushihunter]

quote:Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

What really "grinds me gears" is the Queen Charlotte big lodges...even chartered boats all have their BC numbers instead of C numbers...just take a look in their photo galleries...if you are going to do it for one...do it for all...

www.serengetifishingcharters.com



Here is something I ran across tonight re: QCL.

I will only copy part of it here, the rest is at:

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=%22Queen+Charlotte+lodge%22&language=en&searchTitle=British+Columbia&path=/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2005/2005bcsc880/2005bcsc880.html

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA

Citation:
Cuppen v. Queen Charlotte Lodge Ltd. et al,

2005 BCSC 880


Date: 20050613



Docket: S017014

Registry: Vancouver

Between:

Doug Cuppen

Plaintiff

And

Queen Charlotte Lodge Ltd. and Daigle
Welding & Marine Ltd.

Defendants







Before: The Honourable Madam Justice Brown

Reasons for Judgment

Counsel for the plaintiff
M.P. Katzalay
D. Chisholm



Counsel for the defendant
Queen Charlotte Lodge Ltd.


J. Spears

Date and Place of Trial:
October 4 – 8
12 – 13; 15, 21 – 22;
November 1 – 5; 29;
December 1 – 3, 2004


Vancouver, B.C.



I. OVERVIEW

[1] The plaintiff, Doug Cuppen, was injured in a boating accident on June 21, 2001. He seeks damages for personal injury, loss of income and loss of opportunity from the defendant Queen Charlotte Lodge Ltd.

[2] The action was dismissed against the defendant Daigle Welding & Marine Ltd. before trial.

II. BACKGROUND FACTS

[3] Guests of the Queen Charlotte Lodge have a choice of fishing with or without a guide. The lodge provides 17-foot aluminium hulled boats for use of their guests. Each year, the lodge fits the boats for the season. Until 2001 these boats had been fitted with a 70 horsepower Johnson engine and a cable steering system. In 2001, the lodge switched to 75 horsepower 4 stroke Mercury engines, using the same cable steering system as had been used in 2000.

[4] In July 2001 the lodge began changing the steering systems on the boats from a cable steering system to an hydraulic steering system. Most of the guest-driven vessels were changed from cable steering to hydraulic steering in the months of July and August 2001.

[5] On June 21, 2001 Mr. Cuppen and his companion, Ms. Walsh, were guests of the Queen Charlotte Lodge. Mr. Cuppen and Ms. Walsh left the lodge in the boat provided by the lodge, with Mr. Cuppen at the helm. June 21st was a pleasant day and the waters were calm. Mr. Cuppen and Ms. Walsh had been trolling. Mr. Cuppen was powering the boat up to plane to move to a new area when the accident occurred. The boat veered suddenly to the left and went into a hard spin. Mr. Cuppen and Ms. Walsh were thrown in the boat. Mr. Cuppen hit the railing on the right side of the boat and broke his right femur.

[6] Mr. Cuppen was airlifted to Vancouver where his fracture was set. On June 26th he required further surgery. He was bed-ridden for the first few weeks after the two operations, was then in a wheelchair for a month and a half, and on crutches for the next few months. Through the fall of 2001 he attended physiotherapy. Eventually he was able to get around with a cane. By June 26, 2002 he was still experiencing pain over the implant to his femur. He required a third operation in December, 2002 to remove the pins and plate. After the third operation he again attended physiotherapy. He has recovered, although he is not able to attend all social functions that he would normally attend as the principal sales person and marketer for his business.

[7] Mr. Cuppen and his brother, Jack Cuppen, are equal shareholders in Mudmaster Drilling Fluid Services Ltd. Mudmaster sells drilling muds to oil drilling companies. The plaintiff was primarily responsible for sales for that business. Mr. Jack Cuppen was responsible for the technical services provided by that business. They shared the profits of the company equally.

[8] Mr. Cuppen’s claims for past wage loss and loss of opportunity arise from the loss of sales to one of Mudmaster’s clients, Devon Canada Drilling. After Mr. Cuppen’s injury, a sales employee with Mudmaster, Mr. Niewensteeg tried to assume Doug Cuppen’s sales responsibilities as well as his own, while Mr. Cuppen recovered from his injury. Mr. Niewensteeg was paid $48,842 in commission for the sales made to the Devon account from the period July 2001 to the end of the company’s 2002 fiscal year. Mr. Niewensteeg said that despite his efforts, he was not able to maintain the account. Since March, 2003, Devon has not purchased drilling mud from Mudmaster.

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[LastChance]

I can see the self guided boats as an accident waiting to happen, I'm surprised there are not more accidents then we hear about.

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[Poppa Swiss]

no kidding they are an accident waiting to happen. You get a some albertans out on the water near the QCI and they have no boating experience, scary.

not sure if I agree with the above law suit - its a cable system and usually pull to one side. Sounds like he hit the gas without holding the wheel tight. It wasn't negligence it was inexperience on his part.

[richmake]

quote:Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

What really "grinds me gears" is the Queen Charlotte big lodges...even chartered boats all have their BC numbers instead of C numbers...just take a look in their photo galleries...if you are going to do it for one...do it for all...

www.serengetifishingcharters.com


Hold on a minute young grasshopper...
Do you want me to send you photos of your boat with BC numbers last season...:D


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[SerengetiGuide]

quote:Originally posted by richmake


quote:Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

What really "grinds me gears" is the Queen Charlotte big lodges...even chartered boats all have their BC numbers instead of C numbers...just take a look in their photo galleries...if you are going to do it for one...do it for all...

www.serengetifishingcharters.com


Hold on a minute young grasshopper...
Do you want me to send you photos of your boat with BC numbers last season...:D


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I figured you would take photos [:p] however, we had already faxed our jazz to TC...and I carried the filled out forms and fax receipt with me on board ;)

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[richmake]

I most certainly don't have any photos of you....[8D]... but I know someone who does...and not just you guy's...
Are you guys upgrading the second boat this year...

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[SerengetiGuide]

quote:Originally posted by richmake

I most certainly don't have any photos of you....[8D]... but I know someone who does...and not just you guy's...
Are you guys upgrading the second boat this year...

www.coastwidesportsfishing.com


Ah, either way, no biggy to me.

Ya, we are...26ft Pursuit...essentially new...under 200hrs on engines.

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[richmake]

sold the campion?

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[SerengetiGuide]

No...not yet. Plan to...or at least the brand new engine on her...

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