area 19-20 salmon

[bananas]

There is a meeting this week in Nanaimo sounds like March 1 to May 15 slot size again but this year no cliped fish.Fisheries i talked to said last year to many people abused it so this year there taking cliped away .Great just Great.

[Governor]

SFAB CN and CO Working Group Mtg is Wednesday in the AM. I'll be there and will be finding out what DFO plans are. ET Fraser chinook is the only agenda item. I have heard rumour of DFO seeking to broaden the slot area to encompass Sidney Cowichan and Southern Gulf Islands.

Early Summer and Summer Chinook may also impact us with slot limits being in longer. They will be discussed later

We should NEVER be made to suffer because of DFO's late notice fishing regs change last year leading to poor compliance. They have a duty to advise the public properly and in a timely manner as well as to enforce their laws.

I'll inform all when I get back from the meeting on Wednesday what's on the table



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[LastChance]

How the hell could we be "abusing" the clipped fish??????

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[bananas]

Sorry kelly he meant people were bringing in over sized wilds and saying they new nothing of the hatchery over only rule.

[LastChance]

Ah, that "sort of" clears it up.

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[dohboy]

trev
thats what you get for sitting on your brains all wkend:D

i might know someone for your scottys, let you know

[r.s craven]

So effectively that will mean anything over 6 lbs has to be released ??
what a joke , they might as well just shut it down :(

[The Fish Assassin]

This isn't really important news...The most important thing I read in this post was that DFO thought somebody actually caught a fish on the Nanaimo side last year [:o)]

Take only what you need.

[r.s craven]

If anyone hears any results from the SFAB meeting in Nanaimo
today, can they please post ?

Thanks !

[ReelAffair]

HERE WE GO AGAIN

[Tips Up]

..Grab your ankles!

What do clipped fish have to do with the Fraser?

Tips

[ReelAffair]

quote:Originally posted by Tips Up

..Grab your ankles!

What do clipped fish have to do with the Fraser?

Tips


with DFO you should never let go of your ankles.

PS :lube is extra:(

[bananas]

They put forth the same regs as last year but that doesn't mean thats whats going to happen.

[Governor]

Trev had it right, DFO was suggesting slot 45-67 cms and no marked fish over 67 cms. Also interesting no DFO proposal to increase area of restrictions which was an inside rumour.

Interesting isn't it how taking away retention of marked fish over 67 cms from our catch would have NO benefit on ET Fraser Chinook conservation, period.

SFAB CN & CO Working Group made a counter proposal. We got no answer yes or no to our proposal at the meeting (which is normal) but will hear answer very soon if Mar 1st is start date. Note 19 and 20 catch reporting will be scaled up including increased number of volunteers keeping logbooks.

I'll post news when I hear any




God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton

[r.s craven]

Talk about idiotic, now we'll have people netting supposed
early fraser fish, pulling them into the boat. putting a tape measure
on them , and then removing the hook and releasing the fish.

That's really gonna help the cause...

[chris73]

I hear you craven. But the real ET Frasers are typically big fish and you would know right away that this one misses the slot. ET Frasers would be easily in the 20 lbs now. Look into the reports over the last years and this will tell you how many of those fish we as anglershave actually intercepted. I can't even remember when I have seen the last spring over 20 lbs in March.

The real idiotic thing is that last year a few weeks into the slot period DFO apparently realized that the clipped non-retention rule was nonsense and gave it up. But here we will have it again! WTF??

[Nimo]

IMO it's purely and simply designed to stop the FN fishery on the river. DFO can say, "see, we have stopped the recreational fishery now no netting in the river." It's politics.

Even if the fish were intercepted out here there aren't enough boats on the water to have a measureable impact. Now a winter commercial troll fishery 2 out of every 4 weeks over the past years,...nah...they don't swim up there.

[rln]

quote:Originally posted by striperjack


quote:Originally posted by Tips Up

..Grab your ankles!

What do clipped fish have to do with the Fraser?

Tips


with DFO you should never let go of your ankles.

PS :lube is extra:(




it will tickle a bit when you feel the wrist watch though! DFO and MoE are just constantly proving just how bad a job they do managing our fisheries.

[rln]

quote:Originally posted by chris73

I hear you craven. But the real ET Frasers are typically big fish and you would know right away that this one misses the slot. ET Frasers would be easily in the 20 lbs now. Look into the reports over the last years and this will tell you how many of those fish we as anglershave actually intercepted. I can't even remember when I have seen the last spring over 20 lbs in March.

The real idiotic thing is that last year a few weeks into the slot period DFO apparently realized that the clipped non-retention rule was nonsense and gave it up. But here we will have it again! WTF??


the size is not completely accurate. ET Fraser chinooks heading to Nicola system (coldwater fish ) are usually small 8-12lbs with very few above 15lbs.

[Tips Up]

As much as I want to see fishing open every where, all the time. We will have to accept and support conservation efforts in our fisheries to protect the future stocks. (when there is a concervation concern, not an allocation concern ie. Hali)
It would just be easier to accept if it makes sense.

Is the size limit on chinook not 62cm in area 19?
That would be a pretty tight slot limit. 62-67cm.

Tips

[r.s craven]

quote:Originally posted by Tips Up

As much as I want to see fishing open every where, all the time. We will have to accept and support conservation efforts in our fisheries to protect the future stocks. (when there is a concervation concern, not an allocation concern ie. Hali)
It would just be easier to accept if it makes sense.

Is the size limit on chinook not 62cm in area 19?
That would be a pretty tight slot limit. 62-67cm.

Tips


area 19 west of Cadboro point 45cm min size for retention.
anyway it ends up you can only bonk one between 3 and 7 lbs.

[IronNoggin]

quote:Originally posted by Nimo

IMO it's purely and simply designed to stop the FN fishery on the river. DFO can say, "see, we have stopped the recreational fishery now no netting in the river." It's politics.

Exactly. Also the reason the troll fleet gets pulled off the water March through April. The Dino did just that last year, and has already announced plans to do the same this. Reason stated as: If we allow anyone to fish these early depleted runs, the FN's will hammer them, they have directly told us so. So the only chance there is of keeping their nets out of the water is to shut every one else down.

aYup. Politics.

Cheers,
Nog

[Governor]

More than 85% of the weak ET Fraser stocks passing Victoria are greater than 67 cms. Hence the slot is between 45 cms and 67 cms. and their timing as they pass Victoria is Mar 1 to June 1.

We all need to remember our impact before the restriction was implemented in 2008 was really very low. Now our impact is SO LITTLE in the marine approach waters its less than 1 per cent of total interception. Largest impact is on the Fraser itself, where FN licensed FSC harvesting take chinook in drift nets.

The weak stock ET Fraser chinook are classed "stock of concern" the mixed stock chinook fishing off Victoria is NOT the concern.



God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton

[Governor]

Nog,

WCVI Troll fleet had fishing opportunity during part of that ET Fraser time last year and is likely to fish again this year. But only in a select area away of where the historic ET Fraser chinook have been caught before. By far the biggest part of their catch is US fish.

The 2008 DNA and CWT tag data report I saw yesterday, which was much increased from prior years, showed the Area G trollers were not catching any significant amount of ET Frasers (listed on the report as less than 0.1%)



God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton

[IronNoggin]

quote:Originally posted by Governor

Nog,

WCVI Troll fleet had fishing opportunity during part of that ET Fraser time last year and is likely to fish again this year.

No actually, they're not. I am a member of Area G. We were off the water from mid-March through mid-April last year due to this concern. And, we are on notice we will again be off the water prior to 15 March, with no absolute return date other than "later in April".


quote:The 2008 DNA and CWT tag data report I saw yesterday, which was much increased from prior years, showed the Area G trollers were not catching any significant amount of ET Frasers (listed on the report as less than 0.1%)

Correct. Our 'footprint' on Early Fraser's has been amongst the smallest of any for quite some time. Yet, we are amongst the first to take the hit. Same Old - Same Old. Appears The Dino can and will curtail our activities when they cannot control a particular other sector, sorta like being held for ransom by the FN's involved. Not that I'm really looking for the input, but I kinda wonder where the FN's Board Ambassador FA sits on this one - Everyone off the water, or we will wipe them out mentality?

Cheers,
Nog

[ReelAffair]

quote:Originally posted by Tips Up

As much as I want to see fishing open every where, all the time. We will have to accept and support conservation efforts in our fisheries to protect the future stocks. (when there is a concervation concern, not an allocation concern ie. Hali)
It would just be easier to accept if it makes sense.

Tips


I agree...if we are closed for conservation than the f/n should be closed as well

[r.s craven]

quote:Not that I'm really looking for the input, but I kinda wonder where the FN's Board Ambassador FA sits on this one - Everyone off the water, or we will wipe them out mentality?
quote:

:D:D

[The Fish Assassin]

I don't fish till June, and I don't fish Fraser fish...


quote:it ends up you can only bonk one between 3 and 7 lbs

So it is open? What's the issue here?

Take only what you need.

[Governor]

quote:Originally posted by IronNoggin

[quote]Originally posted by Governor

Nog,

WCVI Troll fleet had fishing opportunity during part of that ET Fraser time last year and is likely to fish again this year.

No actually, they're not. I am a member of Area G. We were off the water from mid-March through mid-April last year due to this concern. And, we are on notice we will again be off the water prior to 15 March, with no absolute return date other than "later in April".

Nog,

As I remember, what I read indicated Mar 1st and earlier there are some of the 7 weak ET Fraser stocks in your waters, that's why I suggested you were fishing (Mar 1 - Mar 15 in 2008 as you confirm) when they are present. I think there was an opening in Feb as well. You also got area restrictions in G waters too, designed to avoid interception during early Mar. I heard the chinook come in from open ocean and hit mid-west coast VI over a period of six to eight weeks and turn right and head for the Fraser via JDF passing Victoria around Mar 1.

It is just the challenge we all face with mix stock fisheries when abundance is not at historic levels

Gov




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