View Full Version : downrigger reels..what to buy?
09-13-2004, 09:15 AM
I am looking to buy some new salmon reels for my boat. I want a drag system on them. Any suggestions?
09-13-2004, 10:07 AM
09-13-2004, 10:23 AM
I like those daiwa mooching reels and they are pretty cheap 75$!
Shimano 4000 cheap and they last long but if you have the money of course islanders or theres a new reel on the market by trophy called a tyee i have used them now for about month nothing wrong with them so far but its still isnt proven for a time line yet let you know of any problems i was told first to take it apart and grease the clicker which i did so far no problems time will tell
Good luck wolf
09-13-2004, 10:41 AM
If you want an easy-to-use unit then look at the Shimano TR Charter Specials-the TR1000LD is easily big enough, built like a tank and very well engineered-smooth as butter on the drag.
The price has recently dropped and the lever drag makes downrigging a breeze.
If $C220 apiece is too much then look at the TR 100G it's a star drag unit like that a friend of mine owns-again well built and economical with very smooth operation.
The single action models as recommended here are to my taste clumsy and old fashioned as well as tedious to use when downrigging.
09-13-2004, 11:15 AM
level winds take half the skill and most of the fun out of landing a nice slab- I know because my friend has one and all you do is wind. It's nothing compared to those reel handles screeming out and it is just a more fun experiance for me. after all if we wanted salmon just for food you can just go buy it- a lot cheaper then getting all the gear.
09-13-2004, 11:50 AM
level winds are horrible they are the worth things ever they should not exist... the shimano 2000 and 4000 mootching reels are definatly the way to go, and yes if you have the money get the islander ones there gold!
There are several problems with level lines up here in canada
First problem: As a person who fishes alot the level winds cannot take the abuse of use that i put them under they just simply blow up and I know wash them with fresh water every day and lossen off the drag! yada yada yada.
Second problem: With us using barbless hooks when you "PUMP" the rod I see so many fish lost because of it I find it rather amusing when I see all these americans come up here and use them and lose lots of fish kudos to them
Third: Its tradition up here to use a single action reels dating back to the old peetz reels days it doesnt take long to master these reels its just practise they also are not clumsy once you know what your doing and i personally think its way more fun to reel in a fish then with a coffee grinder (sorry rodbender)
Now having said that I think using a level wind for halibut are the only way to go I use the penn 340 because of its gear ratio, different fish needs different reels bringing a halibut up from 250 ft down on a single action reel of course would be hard they also come up from right under the boat where salmon are from way back from the boat totally different angles. On swiftsure i dont even take the rod out of the rod holder your there for one reason catch your fish and get going I know not sporting but its the truth people cant handle it much more than that with Cod,dogfish,hali they get tired easily.
Just go out and see how many level wind reels there are to single action reels along the west coast i bet you it would be 95 % single action
Good luck Wolf
09-13-2004, 12:32 PM
A couple of years ago I happened to forget 2 of my rigs at home, allready well into my trip I stopped into Wally-World for a look see. I ended up buying a couple of cheep combo,s. The rods I didn't care for at all but the reels worked just fine. I can't recall the exact names of them but they're the mooching type w/ the fancy drag system simular to the Diawa M-1's I left at home. I liked them so much they now replace those M-1's in the rod holders. the 3rd season using them and no problems just a little grease now and again and 2/4 M1's are failing(drag systems not working properly),someone told me they need new washers. They are only a few months older with half the use. The name is Royal something or other, they're dark brown and hold 495 yrds. of 20 or 25lb. test(the decals are all worn off). Level winds, I have several different makes, they dont seem to like water much. Most every year I need to replace washers in them but novice fisher-persons like them for the no-brainer aspect, so therefor I keep them on the boat. The Wally-World specials are priced under $70, probably the cheapest out there but I'm not sure.
Good luck and greater fish'n.
09-13-2004, 12:40 PM
I agree with eagle eyes you cant feel fish with level wind. There is no better feeling than a big spring taking off with a knuckle buster screaming<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
09-13-2004, 01:42 PM
So here's my $1.39 worth...
I have Shimano m-1's in both left and right hand (two of each)
inexpensive to replace (although this is the 3rd full season with them)and almost bullet proof.
I also us 7000 Abu-Garcia's in both left and right hand retrieve but use these mainly for either very inexperienced or young children as they just have to wind and not worry about feeling the fish....
Bottom line, stick to the single action as they are easier to maintain, and you get a better feel for the fish.
Personally, like fly fishing, I think it's more important to get the best rod that you can and spend what you can afford on the reel.
Level winds are good for Hali's (I use a 320 GT Penn) but I also don't expect to get one over 80 pounds either.
Hope all this helps...lots of great advise from the other posters!!!
09-13-2004, 03:05 PM
I started using Penn level-wind reels because that's all I ever knew from when I started fishing as a kid. Then I got into it and needed another rod and reel and thought I should at least give the single action (aka knuckl-cruncher-masher-duster-buster) a try, and so I bought the Diawa M-one. It was lots of fun, far less work to keep up, and inexpensive too.
Then one day I hooked a huge salmon and lost it on my level wind because the drag was a bit too tight, and when the fish pulled (this after taking out about 100 feet of line) and I pulled, the line broke.
I thought to myself: Would this happen with the single-action Diawa? Answer: Probably not. The single wind reel allows for more "feel." If a fish wants more line, the line goes out. Sure, if a person grips the reel and refuses to let it move, the line (or the rod) can break, but that's not about to happen unless the person using the reel is clueless. When the fish pulls, the rod bends and it's obviously time to stop reeling and start palming. Simple. With a level wind, the correct amout of drag often remains a bit of a mystery: is there too much or not enough? It's hard to say sometimes, and it's certainly hard to "feel." With the singl action reel I actually "feel" as if I'm in control of the reel, which is a good thing because I know what I want and when I want it. But with the level wind the reel seems to be in control, which is only a good thing if the person holding it has no idea what to do.
Moral to the story? Now I use level winds for bottom fishing and single action reels when trolling for salmon. I've used both, and I must say that there's nothiing better than feeling the palm of my hand burn as a big fish peels out the line.
Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
09-13-2004, 04:33 PM
Ditto on Steelheadman_04's reply.
09-13-2004, 06:10 PM
And if you need downrigger rods, go for the trophy Xl series- these babies are dynamite. We now have 4 downrigger rods, a bucktail rod(beauty), plus my steelhead drift rod is trophy Xl- it's great too. And no i didn't get paid to say this haha.
09-13-2004, 07:12 PM
GL-3 and a MR2
Pass the Pack
09-13-2004, 07:16 PM
Nothin' but a classic Bags!!!!dirty
09-13-2004, 07:48 PM
I have to side with the single-action crowd. I fish with a 5 inch 65th Anniversary Edition Peetz reel (1990), and my wife uses a pre-1953 6 and 3/4 inch Peetz (she likes the extra advantage the big reel gives her). There's nothing quite like the sound that comes out of those reels when a salmon goes screaming off on a run.
Every couple of years, I take them apart, clean them up, put some new grease on the shaft and pawls, maybe replace a disc or two, and they work flawlessly for another couple of years. The two reels are virtually identical in construction, even with 40 years of manufacturing between them.
Peetz reels are steeped in West Coast salmon fishing history - they've been manufactured here since 1924. For us, fishing with Peetz reels on the West Coast is like a flyfisher using an antique bamboo pole to fish a chalk stream in the English countryside. Upstream, of course.
Having said all that, they can sometimes be cranky to use with a downrigger, but after a while you get used to them. I just take that as a sign that it's time to do a little maintenance.
09-14-2004, 03:53 AM
Used the same Shimmano 4000 single action moocching reels for over 10 years,negleted the poor things but they still are reliable, and are my choice.
Tried my buddies Diawa mooching reels,did not like them,maybe they needed maintenance.
I have 4 Peetz reels that I dont use anymore find them a bit clunky after using the Shimanno.
As already pointed out level wind are the way to go for Hali. fishing.
Having said that, when I win the big one Islanders for me.
Whole in the Water
09-14-2004, 04:41 AM
For salmon the Shimano 4000 GT plus mooching reel hands down, unless you want to pay the big bucks for an Islander.
Sharp hooks and full traps!
09-14-2004, 06:41 AM
Shimano 4000 GT has more line capacity than the 2000 GT just so you know...Other reel I use and love the sound of is the new Peetz 2000 S/S stainless...super sexy salmon runs when that thing goes!
Remember, "When the Fish aren't Biting...the Fish aren't Biting!!"
Edited by - islandphile on 09/14/2004 10:44:41
09-14-2004, 05:44 PM
I just dug out my copy of "Peetz-a Reel for All Time" and there's a picture in there that shows the 2000 S/S beside a 1950's wooden model. The drag pawl and caliper assemblies are identical, so they must sound the same, too.
I've never had my hands on an Islander, do they sound as good as a Peetz?
09-14-2004, 06:28 PM
Smooooth and Sexy!!!
Pass the Pack
09-14-2004, 06:48 PM
nothin like smackin a finger for the first time on the nucklebuster with a screamin slab on the end of it.
09-15-2004, 04:15 PM
Thanks for all the input...I am sticking with the single action reels, bought a shimano 4000 today and I will see how I like it out fishing tomorrow..
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