Area 14 SFAC meeting Wed. Jan. 28 7-9PM [Archive]

Cuba Libre

01-12-2009, 10:03 AM

Thanks for posting this GLG-- here is a bit more info

quote:Area 14 Sports Fishing Advisory Committee Meeting
Please mark on your calendar this meeting January 28th, 7pm, and new location for this meeting. (Courtenay Club House)

If anyone has questions as to how this advisory process works to provide advice to DFO re sport fishing, this is the opportunity to provide input and to hear just how the process works.

We have decided to hold a meeting and invite the public who might be interested in who and what we are, to come to the Courtenay club on Wednesday the 28th of January at 7pm.

This will be an information meeting and a question and answer meeting on things that are going on in Area 14. It will include salmon issues, groundfish and shellfish in our local area.

We anticipate that representatives from DFO will be present if possible.

This should be an interesting meeting.

Thanks.

Gerry Scott Chair Area 14 SFAC

For those that dont know, the best way to get to the Courtenay Club House is by driving up Lake Trail Road until you hit the Colake logging road. ( turn left at the stop sign where Lake Trail intersects the logging road) Drive up towards Comox lake, there is only one cross street-- Bevan road- ignore it.) Continue along for a couple of kms or so-- turn left into club property, through the yellow steel gate. Drive into the clubhouse at the lake. meeting is in the upstairs mainhall.

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Cuba Libre

01-12-2009, 10:03 AM

GLG

01-12-2009, 12:11 PM

Thanks CL. I had a feeling you would post more info.
If anyone wants to car pool we can list it here.
GLG

GLG

01-12-2009, 12:11 PM

Thanks CL. I had a feeling you would post more info.
If anyone wants to car pool we can list it here.
GLG

lazoman

01-13-2009, 04:11 PM

I won't be able to attend the meeting, but have at least one question that I've wondered about. Why are commercial fishers allowed the following activities within a Rockfish Conservation Area?

- salmon by seine or gillnet
- herring by gillnet, seine and spawn-on-kelp
- sardine by gillnet, seine, and trap
- smelt by gillnet
- euphausiid (krill) by mid-water trawl
- opal squid by seine
- groundfish by mid-water trawl (*****especially this one*****)

I know the RCAs are improving the populations of rockfish and lings, but I still believe they should be offlimits to all. I wonder what the by-catch has been on the protected species?

GLG

01-15-2009, 08:28 PM

So I know Lazoman can’t make the meeting.
I’ll be there with one of my fishing buddies.
Anyone else from this site going?
GLG

MyEscape

01-15-2009, 10:49 PM

Sorry Guys

Gotta miss this one will be down in Puyallup at the Outdoor Show

GLG if you could have them add my email address so I get there mail outs that would be great.

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hookedup

01-20-2009, 05:45 AM

why is there no notices posted anywhere in area 14 regarding this meeting....just heard from a friend about this in Parksville....there are probably more anglers and lodge owners in area 14 than anywhere on Vancouver Island and would be a waste of time to go through the motions and have a poor turnout.....been to peters, gone fishing, and did not see anything about this meeting....nothing in French Creek, Nanoose, Deep Bay, Nile Fly shop, or anywhere else Ive been that would display such notices........

Cuba Libre

01-20-2009, 07:53 AM

HookedUp-- fair comment-- but it has been in the most widely read outdoors column in Area 14-- Ralph Shaws column. It has also gone out on an extensive email list too. Why no posters? Would be nice to at least have something at Gone Fishing and Tyee. I will try to see that something is provided when I get my printer back from the shop.

Since we are ALL volunteers, and dont get paid to wander around area 14 doing the work of a publicity person, we are always looking for folks to step up and spread the word. So can we count on you to help out by taking the time to let folks in French Creek , Nile Creek and Bowser about the meeting? It would be much appreciated.
Why no reference to Parksville? ( areas 14-1 and 14-2) quite simply because inspite of previous attempts to recruit interest from that area, they lean more toward the Nanaimo SFAC. But that is old history-- if anyone wants to stir up the Parksville guys and get them to Courtenay, they would be more than welcome.

btw-- the Chair is in Saskachewan for a few more days, I expect there will be an effort to get a bit more publicty when he gets back.

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Islandgirl

01-20-2009, 12:51 PM

I will be going.

hookedup

01-20-2009, 03:21 PM

quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

HookedUp-- fair comment-- but it has been in the most widely read outdoors column in Area 14-- Ralph Shaws column. It has also gone out on an extensive email list too. Why no posters? Would be nice to at least have something at Gone Fishing and Tyee. I will try to see that something is provided when I get my printer back from the shop.

Since we are ALL volunteers, and don't get paid to wander around area 14 doing the work of a publicity person, we are always looking for folks to step up and spread the word. So can we count on you to help out by taking the time to let folks in French Creek , Nile Creek and Bowser about the meeting? It would be much appreciated.
Why no reference to Parksville? ( areas 14-1 and 14-2) quite simply because in spite of previous attempts to recruit interest from that area, they lean more toward the Nanaimo SFAC. But that is old history-- if anyone wants to stir up the Parksville guys and get them to Courtenay, they would be more than welcome.

btw-- the Chair is in Saskatchewan for a few more days, I expect there will be an effort to get a bit more publicity when he gets back.

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No one is asking anyone to wander around area14....You seem to post very defensive replies when asked about what is supposed to be a very open process for rec anglers get involved with DFO...I'm sure DFO has a budget or could at the very least mail out notices on behalf of your group to all of the above mentioned businesses or groups....I have friends in our local fly club who never seem to have contact with your group and wonder aloud as to why the area 14 group is made up almost exclusively of residents of the Comox Valley.... as a long time reader of postings here I have seen several references to this newspaper column in regards to the area 14 goings on. As a resident of the Oceanside area (Parksville / Qualicum ) this is simply not an option for the thousands of anglers south of say Fanny Bay who don't receive the Comox newspapers... Your group should be spending more time developing contacts in our area, also area 14, and at the very least posting meeting times and places for the hundreds if not thousands of recreational anglers who live south of Fanny Bay.
Its my understanding from talking with some other anglers today that this meeting will be the first one for area 14 that is being held outside of normal working hours (smart move) but by not developing a strategy to inform those who were never able to attend due to work commitments is a serious over site. Isn't the idea of having this meeting in the evening to accommodate those who were not able to attend in years past?...expanding the e-mail contact list to include the above mention businesses, fly clubs, fish and game clubs, enhancement groups, marinas, first nations, individuals should be done as part of this meeting....see you there

Cuba Libre

01-20-2009, 05:17 PM

No-- not defensive. Just trying to explain why things are what they are. We dont get a cent from DFO for anything. One of the main reasons for daytime meetings is to assure that as many relevant DFO personnel as possible can/will attend. But rather than this back and forth stuff can you help out by spreading the word down to Parksville? It would be much appreciated.

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fisher69

01-20-2009, 06:09 PM

quote:Originally posted by lazoman

I won't be able to attend the meeting, but have at least one question that I've wondered about. Why are commercial fishers allowed the following activities within a Rockfish Conservation Area?

- salmon by seine or gillnet
- herring by gillnet, seine and spawn-on-kelp
- sardine by gillnet, seine, and trap
- smelt by gillnet
- euphausiid (krill) by mid-water trawl
- opal squid by seine
- groundfish by mid-water trawl (*****especially this one*****)

I know the RCAs are improving the populations of rockfish and lings, but I still believe they should be offlimits to all. I wonder what the by-catch has been on the protected species?

seine and gillnet don't come close to the bottem. but in any case double check your facts. pretty sure rca's are closed to commercial activity.

hookedup

01-20-2009, 06:33 PM

quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

No-- not defensive. Just trying to explain why things are what they are. We dont get a cent from DFO for anything. One of the main reasons for daytime meetings is to assure that as many relevant DFO personnel as possible can/will attend. But rather than this back and forth stuff can you help out by spreading the word down to Parksville? It would be much appreciated.

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The back and forth stuff is good for all who may read it, as it gets the discussion moving forward to a point where all areas of area 14 are included in these important meetings...[u]excluding</u> the people that should be attending the meetings (the angling public)and scheduling these meetings around attendance DFO personnel should be re-visited. From what I am able to find out is that DFO personnel attend these meetings province wide during the evenings and on weekends as well....DFO [u]must</u> know the agenda of these meetings well in advance and as with other SFAB's province wide send the appropriate personnel to these meetings regardless of when and where they are being held....not allowing the angling public to attend just to accommodate DFO personnel defeats the whole purpose of these meetings....is it not true that all other SFAB's in the province meet during the evening hours or on the weekends for this exact reason??????....no wonder people from Fanny Bay south, or for that instance the immediate Comox area have little or no chance to have their voices heard....why not address this at the meeting as well....

lazoman

01-21-2009, 02:39 AM

quote:quote:Originally posted by lazoman

I won't be able to attend the meeting, but have at least one question that I've wondered about. Why are commercial fishers allowed the following activities within a Rockfish Conservation Area?

- salmon by seine or gillnet
- herring by gillnet, seine and spawn-on-kelp
- sardine by gillnet, seine, and trap
- smelt by gillnet
- euphausiid (krill) by mid-water trawl
- opal squid by seine
- groundfish by mid-water trawl (*****especially this one*****)

I know the RCAs are improving the populations of rockfish and lings, but I still believe they should be offlimits to all. I wonder what the by-catch has been on the protected species?

seine and gillnet don't come close to the bottem. but in any case double check your facts. pretty sure rca's are closed to commercial activity.

Fisher69...the above list I copied directly from the DFO RCA website. I realize the net activity is not targeted to the bottom, or bottom species, but why are sport fishers not allowed this same grace and allowed to troll through an RCA when salmon fishing ?? Just because we troll closer to the bottom?

lazoman

01-21-2009, 02:43 AM

I personally don't mind being kept away from the RCA's when salmon fishing, but believe that commercials should as well.

Cuba Libre

01-21-2009, 05:26 AM

quote:But rather than this back and forth stuff can you help out by spreading the word down to Parksville? It would be much appreciated.

Let me know. Are you willing to help?

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hookedup

01-21-2009, 05:56 AM

quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

quote:But rather than this back and forth stuff can you help out by spreading the word down to Parksville? It would be much appreciated.

Let me know. Are you willing to help?

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ave to see how the meeting goes and if the turnout is what it should be....if there is not the number of persons sitting on the area 14 board who could get the word out or for some reason have overlooked the task of getting the word out then maybe the group up there should look at splitting area 14 into two groups...north and south so this sfab thing works for EVERYONE in area 14....

GLG

01-21-2009, 07:24 AM

Hookedup thanks for coming and do bring up your concerns.
Islandgirl thanks and will see you there.
MyEscape I will deliver your email address to someone on the board.

For others here is a map of the area 14. If you live here please make an effort to attend, as this is our best way to influence decisions in our area. GLG
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Cuba Libre

01-21-2009, 10:20 AM

quote:ave to see how the meeting goes and if the turnout is what it should be....if there is not the number of persons sitting on the area 14 board who could get the word out

So in other words you are NOT willing to help get the word put for this meeting. Thanks a lot- have a nice day.

"There are some that do, and then there are those that just bitch"

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bigredsnapper

01-21-2009, 10:44 AM

Hey CL, I work in Parksville and live in Nanoose and can spread the word. If you would like to PM me with a poster or flyer I would be glad to post in relevant locations from Nanoose to Qualicum Beach.

Cuba Libre

01-21-2009, 11:09 AM

bigredsnapper-- thanks for the offer.. can you email me at dirt432000@yahoo(nospam).ca as the email function on this board will not work for me.

Appreciate that. Its not exactly that we dont have any representation from your area. We do have two anglers that attend regularily.. but it would be nice if more came as it is a big area.

When you get back to me, I will put together a Word Doc that can be printed out and distributed.

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GLG

01-21-2009, 11:33 AM

CL email incoming from me, as I can print some and drop off to a few places around here if you want. GLG

hookedup

01-21-2009, 03:40 PM

quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

quote:ave to see how the meeting goes and if the turnout is what it should be....if there is not the number of persons sitting on the area 14 board who could get the word out

So in other words you are NOT willing to help get the word put for this meeting. Thanks a lot- have a nice day.

"There are some that do, and then there are those that just bitch"

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And then there are some that just want things to stay the same old way that they have become so accustomed to...again, how many SGAB's meet when the vast majority of those wanting or willing to attend CANNOT....quit beating around the bush and let the truth be told....recently in Gold River their meeting was apparently bursting at the seams as word spread and the Saturday noon meeting worked for most, those who could not attend requested a conference call (or so I've been told)....why is there no contact with other fish and game groups (parksville-qualicum) about this meeting, we have a huge number of outdoor enthusiasts down here....some friends were at the comox fish and game for the antler measurement on the weekend and saw nothing posted there either....would have been a great opportunity to get the word out....nice to see bigredsnapper jump on board to help out....see what can happen when people talk....having a closed shop simply isn't working for the whole of area 14....if you want help things change for the better then get the word out....and DFO are willing to help out, just ask....talked with them today...your negativity towards making some minor changes (evening or weekend meetings) and or making some sort of collective effort by those who sit in on these area 14 meetings to get the word out should be a priority...getting pissed at those who speak up for change is not going to help change come about....explain why weekend or evening meetings don't work other than the lame excuse that the timing is to allow DFO reps to attend...and yes I have probably informed many more people about this meeting than you would ever dream about....make sure you have plenty of chairs

you done bitchin' now

Cuba Libre

01-21-2009, 04:28 PM

Oh My --what we have here is a perfect example of why your mother told you not to do drugs.... 8 posts to generate such a negative posting. The volunteers on this SFAC have managed to get rid of the boundary bouys at the Big Qualicum,got the BQ river regulations liberalized, got the Puntledge River opened up for chinook, chums and coho, got a beach strip for flyfishing above the Oyster, fought to prevent the alienating of fishing water off Bowser when the scallop farm was dumped there, got a summer closure for commercial crabbing in parts of Area 14 , are working on expanding the shellfish reserves towards French Creek as well at Maplegard Point and Little River. Fought successfully to keep rec fishing opportunities open at Flora Island when the dive community was waving the 6 gill shark around as a reson for closing the area.

We also support Nile Creek Enhancement, Fanny Bay Ehancement, Little River and The Oyster River Enhancement Society, Courtenay Fish and Game Trent River Enhancement ( all who have members on the committee)
Fought for better funding for all Island DFO hatcheries and well as the CEDP ones throught the SFAB Mainboard..

So tell me big mouth--- WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO PISS ON GUYS WHO HAVE WORKED TO HELP OUT ALL RECREATIONAL ANGLERS IN AREA 14. ?

Dont bother answering-- I can only take so much ******** in one day GD.

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hookedup

01-21-2009, 04:56 PM

quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

Oh My --what we have here is a perfect example of why your mother told you not to do drugs.... 8 posts to generate such a negative posting. The volunteers on this SFAC have managed to get rid of the boundary bouys at the Big Qualicum,got the BQ river regulations liberalized, got the Puntledge River opened up for chinook, chums and coho, got a beach strip for flyfishing above the Oyster, fought to prevent the alienating of fishing water off Bowser when the scallop farm was dumped there, got a summer closure for commercial crabbing in parts of Area 14 , are working on expanding the shellfish reserves towards French Creek as well at Maplegard Point and Little River. Fought successfully to keep rec fishing opportunities open at Flora Island when the dive community was waving the 6 gill shark around as a reason for closing the area.

We also support Nile Creek Enhancement, Fanny Bay Ehancement, Little River and The Oyster River Enhancement Society, Courtenay Fish and Game Trent River Enhancement ( all who have members on the committee)
Fought for better funding for all Island DFO hatcheries and well as the CEDP ones throught the SFAB Mainboard..

So tell me big mouth--- WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO PISS ON GUYS WHO HAVE WORKED TO HELP OUT ALL RECREATIONAL ANGLERS IN AREA 14. ?

Dont bother answering-- I can only take so much ******** in one day GD.

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maybe you need to have a big slug of a fine scotch....not asking what you have done, only that you change when you are meeting to allow those who want to have input, and have every &^%)*&^@$# right to be able to attend these meetings and not be shut out ....do you actually think it is a good thing to shut out the vast majority of rec anglers from attending these meetings???? Imagine if you had even more input from a larger group of interested anglers what your group could accomplish..or could have done inn years past....having two people from the parksville sit in on your meetings is fine by me, but if you are going to go through the motions of having an evening meeting to allow ( for the very first time) those who still work for a living to attend, then do it right ....again isn't this about allowing the rec anglers a voice through the sfab to DFO....if you think that the sfab is supposed to be doing something other than that then let us all know....this isn't about me, its about all the others in area 14 who have been left out in the dark for way too long...change what are you so afraid of...just look south of the border and give your head a shake....sorry don't do drugs....I did listen to my mother, bless her soul....you done now...

Gunsmith

01-21-2009, 05:10 PM

Wow! I detect high levels of passionate devotion to the cause let us re-direct this to where it can have effect!! Just an observation.:D

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bigredsnapper

01-22-2009, 03:43 AM

Hey boys, let's not forget we are all on the same team. Area 14 covers alot of water and there's room for everyone.

GLG

01-22-2009, 05:00 AM

Hookedup what is your point? This meeting is called for everyone to attend. The time is when most people can attend. Notice has been given far enough ahead of time so people can schedule their attendance. The place is large enough to hold a crowd. The word has been getting out through newspaper and Internet. Do you know how SFAB works? I don’t that’s why I am going to the meeting. I am also supporting and trying to move this forward. What are you doing? Trying to tear it down by attacking the people and process.
Focus on what this is all about. We have plenty of problems in regards to fishing and you want to attack the process. Give your head a shake.
GLG

hookedup

01-22-2009, 05:29 AM

quote:Originally posted by GLG

Hookedup what is your point? This meeting is called for everyone to attend. The time is when most people can attend. Notice has been given far enough ahead of time so people can schedule their attendance. The place is large enough to hold a crowd. The word has been getting out through newspaper and Internet. Do you know how SFAB works? I don’t that’s why I am going to the meeting. I am also supporting and trying to move this forward. What are you doing? Trying to tear it down by attacking the people and process.
Focus on what this is all about. We have plenty of problems in regards to fishing and you want to attack the process. Give your head a shake.
GLG

not attacking the process, trying to simple point out that the area 14 group REGULARLY meets when most cannot attend....what is so hard about that to understand....if the group is having a one time only evening meeting then that will not work and should go to the main board for review....they (the main board) should make the call as to when the meetings are being held and not by the local group who by judging by the comments posted here are simply going through the motions to allow for this one time only meeting....where are you seeing these notices....not one person I have spoken to over the last three weeks or so has seen anything anywhere....certainly not at any of the local tackle shops where hundreds if not thousands of anglers have visited since this meeting was announced...in a column in a comox paper...lot of good that does when you live south of Fanny Bay....on this forum where a very small fraction of the angling public may see it....not at any boat launch or marina where DFO would typically post their notices.....I am also trying to move this forward by informing those who MAY read these posting of the situation with the area 14 group...strange that cuba libre refuses to address the fact that ALL other sfab in the province meet when the average joe can attend...how can you say that I am trying to "tear it down" when in fact I am trying to make the process work for all the anglers who are being shut out of the process by having these meeting scheduled during the day.....can you attend these meeting during the day....will you sacrifice, in these tough times a days wage to attend...give your head a shake...might as well hold them at 3 AM...I think I speak for the majority....you say we have plenty of problems in fishing, well what better way to deal with them then having the anglers have a voice....at this point THEY DO NOT...until we see a regularly scheduled meeting in the evening or on the weekends area 14 anglers will continue to shut out from these meetings and from having their collective voices heard....is this not clear enough to understand...if a company was holding its staff meetings at 3 am or on a day when the majority of it's employees cannot attend, how many of the employees would actually attend....would this company be able to function without valuable input from it's employees....would it not be better off to have a majority of it's employees attend these meeting especially when the company is set up to operate solely from input from it's employees...such is the case with the sfab...at least that is the way it is supposed to work...

OldBlackDog

01-22-2009, 05:49 AM

Hookedup, You sure have a lot to say.
So lets hear what you want to have discusssed at this meeting that is in Area 14.

GLG

01-22-2009, 06:56 AM

Hookedup. OK I see your point. Correct me if I’m wrong.

You feel that our local SFAB is closed to the angling community.
You want change to the process, regular meeting open to the public at times and places that most can go.
You want better notification of said meetings.

I have no problem with your ideas. You’re just not coming across very well.
It might be that I’m getting old and not as sharp as once before.
I to want change within my sport. I have searched out the people and things that can make a difference. I work with them to ease their burden so they can get the job done.
I do thank you for getting the word out in your area. Please keep it up.
GLG

tortuga

01-22-2009, 07:25 AM

GLG, How can I help by attending the meeting?

Cuba Libre

01-22-2009, 07:33 AM

GLG-- dont be fooled by his "consiracy theory" He quit in a huff (before he really contributed anything) a while ago because the committee would not bend over for him-- he tried the same abrasive style as he has here. It does not work with volunteers who try to work through issues on a consensus basis.

Took me a few posts to figure out who he was.

One of the things that will be discussed at the upcoming meeting is how to make the process better. But it should be realized that the Area 14 bunch is a well functioning productive committee. That is proven out by the record of motions that have gone to and been passed by the South Coast Board.

See you at the meeting

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GLG

01-22-2009, 08:13 AM

quote:Originally posted by tortuga

GLG, How can I help by attending the meeting?

The way I see it, just by showing up you will help encourage the volunteer board members to keep up the good work. You will have stood up and be counted as a concerned member of our community. You will have educated yourself on the issues that affect our area. You will make contact with others and maybe find a way to contribute to solutions.

CL Ten - Four

LastChance

01-22-2009, 08:34 AM

In our riding, we also sign a form that goes to DFO to show how many people are attending. From time to time we get someone from DFO there, numbers stress how important this is.

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Cuba Libre

01-22-2009, 09:54 AM

Hey Lazoman-- your question about why seiners can fish in RCAs but anglers cant , has been passed over to DFO. The DFO Recreational Coodinator will be providing an answer at the meeting.

BTW-- the Area 14 SFAC normally has a high level of participation from DFO staff. There should be at least 4 at this meeting-- maybe more.

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lazoman

01-22-2009, 10:34 AM

Thankyou very much CL, see, this system is working. It will be interesting to see what comes of it.

OldBlackDog

01-22-2009, 11:04 AM

AGENDA.

SFAC Meeting, January 28th, 7pm. Courtenay & District Fish and Game Club.

Welcome and Introduction of present SFAC members.

SFAB/SFAC process, Questions?

Hatchery final numbers . Puntledge, Big Q, Little Q, Nile Creek,

Trent, Little River , Oyster River ( Englishman escapement?)

Groundfish update inc. Halibut, Lingcod, IPHC meetings.

Shellfish update.

2009 Salmon season forecast.

2008 Area 14 Enforcement actions.

Old Business-- Area 14 Crab request, shellfish reserves.

New Business

Question and Answer Period

tortuga

01-22-2009, 12:02 PM

quote:Originally posted by GLG

quote:Originally posted by tortuga

GLG, How can I help by attending the meeting?

The way I see it, just by showing up you will help encourage the volunteer board members to keep up the good work. You will have stood up and be counted as a concerned member of our community. You will have educated yourself on the issues that affect our area. You will make contact with others and maybe find a way to contribute to solutions.

See you there. Tortuga.

LastChance

01-22-2009, 12:22 PM

I would imagine the reason that seine is allowed in an RCA is that you probably wouldn`t have much in the way of rockfish bycatch. The last place anyone wants their nets is up against a sharp, rocky reef. Would be interesting to see the bycatch numbers.

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fishingbc

01-22-2009, 01:46 PM

quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

GLG-- dont be fooled by his "consiracy theory" He quit in a huff (before he really contributed anything) a while ago because the committee would not bend over for him-- he tried the same abrasive style as he has here. It does not work with volunteers who try to work through issues on a consensus basis.

Took me a few posts to figure out who he was.

One of the things that will be discussed at the upcoming meeting is how to make the process better. But it should be realized that the Area 14 bunch is a well functioning productive committee. That is proven out by the record of motions that have gone to and been passed by the South Coast Board.

See you at the meeting

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surprised it you so long to figure the conspiracy out Bryan...quit in huff, not quite, out of frustration yes....not contributing... maybe in your eyes...as far as bending, why would you want to do that...having input from the guiding community put forth time and time again only to see these ideas dropped like a hot potatoes
salmon conservation stamp
18" vs 24 1/2 Chinooks retention in the strait
meeting times
native and commercial involvement at the meetings
catch data changed on licenses to allow data to be gathered and recorded
etc etc
maybe Gerry can post the minutes from all the sfab groups that he sent around last fall proving that they ALL meet in the evenings or on the weekends with DFO personnel at ALL of them, then maybe the folks reading this can see for themselves what I have been posting about all along....or maybe just state it publicly and get on with moving the meetings in step with all the other groups so Joe fisherman can attend...sure the group passes motions, but if major portions of area 14 are not involved in the process the whole of area 14 is being represented....is as clear as can be....thx to GLG for putting up signs today

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Cuba Libre

01-22-2009, 02:07 PM

quote:having input from the guiding community put forth time and time again only to see these ideas dropped like a hot potatoes
salmon conservation stamp
18" vs 24 1/2 Chinooks retention in the strait
meeting times
native and commercial involvement at the meetings
catch data changed on licenses to allow data to be gathered and recorded
etc etc

Give it a rest Gil-- you know damn well that those options were discussed FULLY with DFO and THEY set the standards. To piss all over those that are trying to make the process work makes you part of the problem-- not part of the solution. Anyway-- you stormed off because the committee wouldnt do what you wanted so you demanded that your name be taken off the email distribution list. So why dont you just stop trying to obstruct those that ARE trying to do something for recreational fishermen. I am not going to waste any more of my time with you. I will work with the folks that DO have legit questions and suggestions that attend the meeting.

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fishingbc

01-22-2009, 02:32 PM

quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

quote:having input from the guiding community put forth time and time again only to see these ideas dropped like a hot potatoes
salmon conservation stamp
18" vs 24 1/2 Chinooks retention in the strait
meeting times
native and commercial involvement at the meetings
catch data changed on licenses to allow data to be gathered and recorded
etc etc

Give it a rest Gil-- you know damn well that those options were discussed FULLY with DFO and THEY set the standards. To piss all over those that are trying to make the process work makes you part of the problem-- not part of the solution. Anyway-- you stormed off because the committee wouldnt do what you wanted so you demanded that your name be taken off the email distribution list. So why dont you just stop trying to obstruct those that ARE trying to do something for recreational fishermen. I am not going to waste any more of my time with you. I will work with the folks that DO have legit questions and suggestions that attend the meeting.

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Bryan the problem is with guys like you who are not interested in getting others involved, that is quite obvious by your refusal to admit that the timing of these meetings are a JOKE....you know...and everyone else I talk to about it knows it...not one of the items I mentioned ever made it passed the table and to say that they were discussed fully is an outright lie...look at your minutes from the meetings....stormed off...just never showed up...if you call that storming off....well.....demanded that I take my name off the e-mail list...give me a break....should I post the e-mail I sent to Gerry asking him in seven words "please take me off your e-mail list"...nobody is obstructing anyone....just trying to make a change that should have happened some time ago to allow Joe fisherman to come to the meetings without taking the day off work........what don't you understand about that........isn't that why this meeting is being held in the evening, just like I requested last year....most of the guys who sat at the table fully agree with me anyway...looks like my ideas are getting somewhere....or are you gonna say that it was your bright idea to hold a meeting in the evening so more folks could attend.

OldBlackDog

01-22-2009, 02:44 PM

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surprised it you so long to figure the conspiracy out Bryan...quit in huff, not quite, out of frustration yes....not contributing... maybe in your eyes...as far as bending, why would you want to do that...having input from the guiding community put forth time and time again only to see these ideas dropped like a hot potatoes
salmon conservation stamp
18" vs 24 1/2 Chinooks retention in the strait
meeting times
native and commercial involvement at the meetings
catch data changed on licenses to allow data to be gathered and recorded
etc etc.

All of these were dealt with and in the minutes of the South Coast meeting of the SFAB.
These minutes were sent out to members of the SFAB and SFAC"s.
Cannot help if you did not read them or did not get them.
As a member of the guiding community, you should have received these from them as well as they are represented at most of the SFAC's and on the South and Main Board.

fishingbc

01-22-2009, 02:59 PM

quote:Originally posted by OldBlackDog

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surprised it you so long to figure the conspiracy out Bryan...quit in huff, not quite, out of frustration yes....not contributing... maybe in your eyes...as far as bending, why would you want to do that...having input from the guiding community put forth time and time again only to see these ideas dropped like a hot potatoes
salmon conservation stamp
18" vs 24 1/2 Chinooks retention in the strait
meeting times
native and commercial involvement at the meetings
catch data changed on licenses to allow data to be gathered and recorded
etc etc.

All of these were dealt with and in the minutes of the South Coast meeting of the SFAB.
These minutes were sent out to members of the SFAB and SFAC"s.
Cannot help if you did not read them or did not get them.
As a member of the guiding community, you should have received these from them as well as they are represented at most of the SFAC's and on the South and Main Board.

send them along....

fishingbc

01-23-2009, 05:38 AM

quote:Originally posted by fishingbc

quote:Originally posted by OldBlackDog

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surprised it you so long to figure the conspiracy out Bryan...quit in huff, not quite, out of frustration yes....not contributing... maybe in your eyes...as far as bending, why would you want to do that...having input from the guiding community put forth time and time again only to see these ideas dropped like a hot potatoes
salmon conservation stamp
18" vs 24 1/2 Chinooks retention in the strait
meeting times
native and commercial involvement at the meetings
catch data changed on licenses to allow data to be gathered and recorded
etc etc.

All of these were dealt with and in the minutes of the South Coast meeting of the SFAB.
These minutes were sent out to members of the SFAB and SFAC"s.
Cannot help if you did not read them or did not get them.
As a member of the guiding community, you should have received these from them as well as they are represented at most of the SFAC's and on the South and Main Board.

send them along....
Gerry which south coast meeting
April 6-5 in nanaimo

november 22-23 nanaimo??? or any others I should be tracking down????

fishingbc

01-23-2009, 05:01 PM

fishingbc

01-26-2009, 05:44 PM

quote:Originally posted by OldBlackDog

AGENDA.

SFAC Meeting, January 28th, 7pm. Courtenay & District Fish and Game Club.

Welcome and Introduction of present SFAC members.

SFAB/SFAC process, Questions?

Hatchery final numbers . Puntledge, Big Q, Little Q, Nile Creek,

Trent, Little River , Oyster River ( Englishman escapement?)

Groundfish update inc. Halibut, Lingcod, IPHC meetings.

Shellfish update.

2009 Salmon season forecast.

2008 Area 14 Enforcement actions.

Old Business-- Area 14 Crab request, shellfish reserves.

New Business

Question and Answer Period

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fishingbc

01-28-2009, 05:13 AM

quote:Originally posted by holmes

WHO THE HELL CARES WHO SAID THIS AND WHO SAID THAT....THAT WAS MY IDEA..HE STOLE IT....ITS ABOUT THE FISH...THE FISH...THE FISH....THE FISH...CUT THIS CRAP OUT....THE IN-FIGHTING IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS
im about ready to smash something rite now after wasting my time with this post...and ya all the stuff mentioned about the meeting up here in gold river is true...we always have atleast a couple of dfo reps...i just cant get over the arguing...WTF...STOP IT...HOLMES*

at least there are some 1280 more folks who know what the hell is going on in our area...that is the whole point....get the word out so more of us get involved...that's the ONLY way things are going to change...if posting these sort of things here is what it takes to bring about change, then so be it....

Governor

01-29-2009, 08:44 AM

So .... how did the meeting turn out folks? How many showed? DFO, anglers and guides?

Am trusting no one got beheaded by a vigilanty group.

God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton

bonkem

01-29-2009, 03:13 PM

quote:Originally posted by Governor

So .... how did the meeting turn out folks? How many showed? DFO, anglers and guides?

Am trusting no one got beheaded by a vigilanty group.

God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton

The meeting was well attended. Approx.60 participants including 3 commies and 5 dfo. The meeting was well chaired and ran smooth. Good explanation of what is going on with hali except that we have no real answers yet.
Springs look a little scary if they happen to list the puntledge with sara.
One thought I had after the meeting is that the puntledge and other hatcheries that clip should probably only be clipping @ 50% until the numbers are up. Just my 2cents.
One member did mention reduced bag limits on salmon and adding a place to keep track of halibut to the sports license was also brought up to dfo.

fishingbc

01-29-2009, 04:17 PM

quote:Originally posted by bonkem

quote:Originally posted by Governor

So .... how did the meeting turn out folks? How many showed? DFO, anglers and guides?

Am trusting no one got beheaded by a vigilanty group.

God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton

The meeting was well attended. Approx.60 participants including 3 commies and 2 dfo. The meeting was well chaired and ran smooth. Good explanation of what is going on with hali except that we have no real answers yet.
Springs look a little scary if they happen to list the puntledge with sara.
One thought I had after the meeting is that the puntledge and other hatcheries that clip should probably only be clipping @ 50% until the numbers are up. Just my 2cents.
One member did mention reduced bag limits on salmon and adding halibut to the license was also brought up to dfo.
considering there was little to no notice or effort by the local sfab to get the word out there was as mentioned above around sixty people there. Five DFO staff, two from puntledge hatchery, two enforcement (one working into another position), two commercial and no first nations...tackle store employees, the DFO recreational staffer was under prepared and had few answers, statistics etc (eg: returns to Black Creek) a crucial indicator creek for the area. For those who were able to make it, there was a good cross section of guides, fly fishers, enhancement volunteers, rec anglers, youth anglers and concerned citizens...this was the way all future area 14 sfab meetings should be run....open to the general public...this was by far the best attended meeting I have seen after sitting around the area 14 table for seven or so years, I was extremely happy with the wide range of concerns raised, questions asked, and topics covered. DFO enforcement was extremely well prepared with a great presentation and lots of solid info....the disappointing fact that people living in Fanny Bay, Deep Bay, Bowser, Qualicum Bay, Qualicum Beach, Parksville and Nanoose had little or no contact from the area 14 board
in regards to this evening meeting. Extending invitations to fly fishing clubs, fish and game clubs, guides, lodge owners, rec fishermen/persons etc in this area is crucial to making the sfab process work for the WHOLE AREA, not just the Comox Valley. Judging by the area 14 chairs comments at the end of the meeting, this doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon....

GLG

01-29-2009, 10:15 PM

I would like to thank the Chair, the local SFAB/SFAC board members and the Courtenay Fish & Game Clubhouse for holding this meeting. I have sat on volunteer boards in the past and can appreciate the effort that goes into running and being part of such an organization. I would also like to thank the employees of DFO (local, regional, enforcement, and hatchery) for talking the time to attend, report and listen to our concerns. We as a group, have common goals for our resource and our way of life. It does not matter if fishing is a sport or it is connected to you making a living. Without the fishing we would lose a major part of our lives.

I never realized how complex all the issues were. I think it would be near impossible to make everyone happy when it comes to all the issues we have in area 14. My hope is that we can all work together to bring forward solutions. After all if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. You can sit on the sidelines and point fingers or stand on a soapbox and shout, but if you see a problem do sometime about it. We have streams that need work. Hatchery’s that need volunteers. We have shorelines that need to be cleaned. We have the public and youths that need to be educated and informed. The list of problems is long just pick one and find a way to contribute to the solution.

There were many issues discussed and I cannot go into detail, as I did not take notes.
From memory I will try to summarize some of the topics discussed.

There is a problem with the seals in the Comox Harbour / Puntledge river. It is of major concern and action is going forward and a responsible plan is taking shape. As long as no vigilantly group takes action that upsets the local population I think we may have a resolution before next spring.

Returns of summer run Springs in the Puntledge were low (500?) So low that there is talk that if something was not done, they may go on the SAR (species at risk) list. This would be very bad and we could see major closures to the fishing from here to points north. My feeling is that this (SAR) is very unlikely to happen. For those who don’t know we have 2 runs of Chinook, summer and fall. The fall run are holding their ground but were less than expected. Same for Coho. Chum returns were more than expected over 60K (didn’t write any numbers down so this is from memory)

The new Federal Budget was discussed but it’s too soon to tell if the DFO hatcheries will see an increase in their budgets. This has the potential to be really good news if they get more money.

Coho numbers from the Oyster River were outstanding (18K). Their reasons for that are many, one could be that all the effort this local volunteer group has done to making this river system whole again from the devastation a forest fire created when it left the river silted up. They have created and enhanced spawning channels and have a hatchery system that works. It should be noted that they do not depend on the hatchery as they feel the stream is where all the success is coming from. They do not clip Coho and that may be part of there success also. Although I respect there decision not to clip it sure would be nice to hook one of those and bring it home. For those that know me they know I would like to see all hatchery fish clipped or change the rule about releasing none marked fish. And yes I know we are can keep one of each in area 14 later in the summer. That doesn’t help me when I’m far a field and getting one after another that are not clipped.

Herring fishing was discussed and why do we even let it happen when the salmon need to eat this resource to survive.

A concern of over fishing of crabs was discussed with some scenarios to share the resources between FN, Recs and Commies. DFO is requesting input from SFAB on how they think the management of this resource can be shared. I think we will be hearing more about this issue as it unfolds in the coming months.

Halibut season was discussed and how the lowered quote will affect us. They know we have a problem but I think it is up to the Minister and talks are continuing.

As noted by others the board will bring up the issue of having their meetings held in public but as it was explained to me their rules only allow two public meetings per year. I don’t know if this will change but I did hear the chair say they would bring this request up at their next meeting.

A sign in sheet was passed around so those in attendance could give their email address if they wanted to be informed on issue concerning our area.

For me it was a good meeting and was very civilized considering the frustration of the poor fishing last year and the pending delay to the upcoming halibut season.

Thanks again to all that attended.

GLG – Recreational Fisherman / Volunteer at Little River Enhancement
Comox BC

Cuba Libre

01-30-2009, 06:55 AM

Thanks for the positive input GLG. I am sorry that a family emergency drew me away from the meeting, but I have received several updates from guys that attended that indicated the meeting was usful.
Just to clarify one point on the meetings for everyone. The SFAC Terms of Reference only call for a minimum of two meetings a year, prior to the South Board SFAC meetings. That is so that the area SFAC's can submit an updated report to the South Board for discussion or to provide Motions to be voted on by the South Board, before the motions go to the Main Board... Clear as mud??? [8D]

In the past the Area 14 Chair has called meetings when a hot issue arose that needed input from our area. One year I believe we had five. From the point of view of getting input to guide us, the type of meeting that was held last night was important especially when trying provide useful information on hot button items like halibut.
Can we please everyone when we have the meetings? No- and I dont think Gerry could even if he tried. Case in point.. we have two members that live in the Qualicum Parksville area. They did not attend. Could be for a variety of reasons, but I suspect that a long drive at night just might be part of the reason.
But is it the end of the world if every angler or committee member cannot attend each meeting? Not in the least. As I pointed out before I had to leave the meeting, we now have an email list that people can use to get in touch with the committee. If anyone wants a topic or idea brought-up, email it in. It will be addressed. You can also ask to make a presentation to the Committee if you wish.
I guess its not a perfect system, but we are trying to improve it. But as volunteers, there is only so much that people can be expected to do. Some like Chuck Ashcroft volunteer hundreds of hours, perhaps
more. The morning after the meeting he had to take off to a 4 day meeting down south as the Chair of the Groundfish Committee that meets the day before the Main Board of the SFAC and is one of the main Canadian participants in the halibut allocation dispute. Cant thank the guy enought.
When and where the next meeting will be held is up to the Chair. Stay tuned. ;)" Minutes will be emailed out after Chuck gets back and puts then together.

Lazoman- as I had to leave the meeting prematurely I dont think your question about why rec salmon fishermen are not allowed in RCAs was addressed. I will get that "official" answer and get back to you.

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